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Btw, some people from poorer countries are telling me that corrupt people are re-using the vaccine vials and injecting patients with fake liquid to make money
Whilst in the West we’re encouraging young people and children to get the vaccine for a virus that poses almost no serious threat to them and hoarding supplies that would be better put to use immunising at risk groups in the developing world. Just more Covid clown world.
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:11
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Well, I learned something new. “To all intensive purposes” is an eggcorn of “for all intents and purposes”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/word...rposes-intents

‘When mistaken formations of words or phrases are used in a seemingly logical or plausible way, like "for all intensive purposes," it's known as an eggcorn. (The word eggcorn itself comes from people hearing the word acorn as eggcorn enough that linguists adopted it as the term.) A similar mishearing that is a linguistic venial sin goes by the name mondegreen. Unlike a mondegreen, however, an eggcorn generally retains the same meaning as the original form (e.g., "for all intensive purposes"). Perhaps, you were one of the schoolchildren who stood up each morning, hand on heart, to pledge allegiance "to the Republic for Richard Stans" (instead of "to the Republic for which it stands"). If so, you've been duped by the mondegreen.”

Some pedantry to end the day (or start it, whatever)
I have always wanted to know if there was a linguistic term for this.

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I annoy people because I’ve been right, I was right about the danger posed by Covid, I was right about masks, and now I’ll be right about vaccines too. This is because I follow data and not dogma.
You annoy people because as soon as you find a point to argue on Covid, you argue it to death and claim “you were right” when you weren’t right at all.

You are also regularly absent of empathy on the subject.
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:37
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Maybe it's just the way you phrase things.
Maybe it's just the way some people want to read him.

I am trying hard to be annoyed...and nada.
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:39
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Bully for Canada, in Israel they’re delaying the arrival of vaccinated tourists having realised they can still exacerbate rates of infection. One double vaxxed Israeli citizen has been blamed for infecting 75 people! One can just imagine Sajid Javid waltzing up to Canada immigration and flashing his vaccine passport

https://jpost.com/breaking-news/coro...ositive-674215

https://www.timesofisrael.com/offici...riant-spreads/

Mainly aged over 80 and out of of 7,5 billion on the planet. FWIW, I was also right about lockdowns, Sweden and natural immunity being more effective than the vaccines.

Now what we’re seeing more diversionary tactics over the meaning of efficacy, or figures of speech. Ultimately this shouldn’t detract from we’re seeing in the real world in that vaccines are not as effective as we thought at preventing the spread of infection. Real world data is all that matters.
" FWIW, I was also right about lockdowns, Sweden and natural immunity being more effective than the vaccines. " Good to see you finally admitting that lockdowns are effective although I do not agree "more effective than the vaccines".

"Now what we’re seeing more diversionary tactics over the meaning of efficacy," = I have been using this word incorrectly for a long time and now somebody has actually informed me of the real meaning.
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:40
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Hang on, so there are placebo groups?

So they inject something into them and tell them it's the vaccine but in reality it isn't?

So what does it say in their vaccine passport?
In the clinical trials yes. Not for the main population. They will tell everyone when the trial is over whether their vaccine was real or not and thus if they need a vaccine as part of the general roll out.

The reason they need the dummy group (rather than just comparing to the general then unvaccinated population) is to:

A) account for a change in behaviour following vaccination
B) weed out people who had already been infected - they won't be eligible for the trial

B) is now a big % in countries hit by delta. That's why real world data isn't as good as clinical trial data
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:48
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Maybe it's just the way you phrase things.
I think that’s it.
He has a tendency to phrase things in such a way as to get people’s backs up.
He does make some valid points but the tone tone of his posts doesn’t really help him get those points across and his explanations are not always as clear as he seems to think they are.
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:53
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This refers to volunteers in small groups undergoing clinical trials. I guess there's no passport for either group, just a big 'thank you' from the rest of us...
But if they don’t have a passport they aren’t able to act as if they were truly vaccinated. You are less likely to get infected staying at home than you are having your normal life
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Old 20.07.2021, 09:58
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It’s how all clinical trials work. Some participants receive the real thing and some receive the placebo but none of them know what they have received.

I don’t imagine any of the trial participants actually have a vaccine passport linked to the trial. I would be interested to see how it actually works for them.
What will happen to the thousands of people who volunteered to participate in Pfizer’s trial?

That question was put forth before an independent committee of FDA advisors meeting to discuss the Pfizer vaccine.

Under normal circumstances, an experiment like this would end as soon as a drug or vaccine is approved, and everyone who got a placebo would be offered the real thing. But the COVID-19 vaccine is only made available through a special “emergency use authorization" not full approval.

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But others argue the nearly 44,000-person [Pfizer] experiment should continue as if nothing had changed to ensure researchers can continue to study still-unanswered questions about the vaccine.

Pfizer's most recent plan is to offer the vaccine at scheduled time points to all interested participants who are over age 16 so it’s likely that many trial volunteers will have to wait for the vaccine.
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Old 20.07.2021, 10:06
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I think that’s it.
He has a tendency to phrase things in such a way as to get people’s backs up.
He does make some valid points but the tone tone of his posts doesn’t really help him get those points across and his explanations are not always as clear as he seems to think they are.
I think TC is a "she" though. Not that it matters.

On a different note, thanks for using the idiom "get someone's back up".


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I have always wanted to know if there was a linguistic term for this.

I can still occasionally learn things from EF in spite of all the bickering!
Yep.

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Old 20.07.2021, 11:00
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It’s how all clinical trials work. Some participants receive the real thing and some receive the placebo but none of them know what they have received.

I don’t imagine any of the trial participants actually have a vaccine passport linked to the trial. I would be interested to see how it actually works for them.
That's not accurate actually. Placebo groups/arms are in RCTs (Phase III), not all clinical trials
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Old 20.07.2021, 11:36
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I think that’s it.
He has a tendency to phrase things in such a way as to get people’s backs up.
He does make some valid points but the tone tone of his posts doesn’t really help him get those points across and his explanations are not always as clear as he seems to think they are.
With all respect, and this is not directed at you personally, but I don't see what's unclear about TC's explanations.

I think there are several posters on the EF who are much less clear than TC and also cultivate a much more confrontational tone, may I see needlessly so. But they seem to get away with it because, well, they tend to be on the side of those who take issue.

I think we would all do well to sometimes stop and read our own words and ask whether we are being fair, and whether there is not a more pleasant way to voice disagreement or criticism.
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Old 20.07.2021, 11:53
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I think that’s it.
He has a tendency to phrase things in such a way as to get people’s backs up.
He does make some valid points but the tone tone of his posts doesn’t really help him get those points across and his explanations are not always as clear as he seems to think they are.
I find cherry-picking bits out of scientific studies then using them to come to a different conclusion than the study did, sometimes even so far as an opposite one, to be annoying.
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Old 20.07.2021, 12:14
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According to ZOE COVID Study incidence figures, it is estimated that among unvaccinated people in the UK there are currently 17,581 new daily symptomatic cases of COVID on average.
A decrease of 22% from 22,638 last week.
Suggesting that the wave in the unvaccinated population has now peaked in the UK.

The UK R value is 1.0 and regional R values are; England, 1.0, Wales, 1.1, Scotland, 0.9

It’s important to highlight that vaccines have massively reduced severe infections and post-vaccination COVID is a much milder disease for most people.
Vaccination also seems to be reducing the incidence of long covid.
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Old 20.07.2021, 12:20
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With all respect, and this is not directed at you personally, but I don't see what's unclear about TC's explanations.

I think there are several posters on the EF who are much less clear than TC and also cultivate a much more confrontational tone, may I see needlessly so.
I never said his tone was confrontational.

There are plenty of posts which are unclear to the reader, I’m probably guilty of writing unclear posts myself if I’m honest.
What seems perfectly clear to us when we write something is not always as clear to other people. Some of TC’s posts, like a lot of posts by others fall into that category.
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I annoy people because I’ve been right, I was right about the danger posed by Covid, I was right about masks, and now I’ll be right about vaccines too. This is because I follow data and not dogma.
If you followed data and interpretated them appropriately you'd come to the same conclusions as most everbody else. That would also include adaptating to new data and a continuously changing situation, and it would forbid cherrypicking what you perceive to support your position.

In short it would make your "I was right (all along)" pretty much impossible.

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Besides, if Sweden's strategy actually worked they wouldn't vaccinate, instead they'd continue letting the virus do its thing. Prime minister Löfven and the king have admitted in December that Tegnell's strategy was a failure.

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Old 20.07.2021, 13:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers 707 out of 18 k tests

8 hospitalisations
1 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week tuesday 483 out of 22 k tests

5 hospitalisations
0 death
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Old 20.07.2021, 13:56
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Todays published numbers 707 out of 18 k tests

8 hospitalisations
1 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week tuesday 483 out of 22 k tests

5 hospitalisations
0 death
That % increase looks a little less bad that some recent figures, week on week.
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That % increase looks a little less bad that some recent figures, week on week.
Nearly doubling to slightly less than that still isn't so encouraging.

Are there so many test numbers last week because people were going away on holiday / are required to test to enter certain events, etc.? I wonder how many are asymptomatic.
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Old 20.07.2021, 14:16
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I have to own up to having hoped for a long time that we all get vaxed and that will be it, for this thread.
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