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I'm sorry if this seems like I'm changing the subject, but I was wondering if anyone here can remind me who it was that had posted here a few weeks ago that they had received an antibodies test that showed the antibodies they developed from the vaccine?

The reason I ask is because I talked to my doctor's office earlier today about getting one for myself, as I'm still a bit nervous about our upcoming camping trip; and if there is any way possible, I'd like to feel reassured that my two doses did in fact cause me to produce antibodies. But my dr. said that she knows of no such test available here in Switzerland and that a regular antibodies test would not show whatever antibodies someone develops from the vaccine.
I'm not clear what you/your doctor means. Do they mean they can't differentiate antibodies developed from vaccination vs those from infection or do they mean they can't detect them at all?

Ultimately this disease is going to be endemic and you will probably catch it sooner or later. As you've had the vaccine you are maximising your chances that your infection would be mild. I would try to fight the nerves, although appreciate that is a big ask for lots of people.
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Old 21.07.2021, 15:33
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Belgianmum it looks like.

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I'm sorry if this seems like I'm changing the subject, but I was wondering if anyone here can remind me who it was that had posted here a few weeks ago that they had received an antibodies test that showed the antibodies they developed from the vaccine?

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I had never, to my knowledge, had Covid and the antibody test proved that.

The antibody test I had shows two types of antibody, those from natural infection and those from vaccination. I had loads of the second type.
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I'm not clear what you/your doctor means. Do they mean they can't differentiate antibodies developed from vaccination vs those from infection or do they mean they can't detect them at all?
As far as I understand it, the person who was ill got all kinds of antibodies, both against N proteins and S proteins. Same is valid for the persons vaccinated with classical (inactivated) vaccine. People vaccinated with modern vaccines (mRNA or adenovirus) get only antibodies against S proteins. So you have to look for the letter S or the word "spike" in the description of the test.
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Old 21.07.2021, 15:59
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Belgianmum it looks like.
Thanks, Ato.

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I'm not clear what you/your doctor means. Do they mean they can't differentiate antibodies developed from vaccination vs those from infection or do they mean they can't detect them at all?

Ultimately this disease is going to be endemic and you will probably catch it sooner or later. As you've had the vaccine you are maximising your chances that your infection would be mild. I would try to fight the nerves, although appreciate that is a big ask for lots of people.
To be honest, I'm also not entirely sure what she meant exactly (it was the nurse/receptionist that I spoke with, after she had asked my doctor about it, and her English was not so great). But that's basically what she said -- that a regular antibodies test would not accurately show any antibodies developed from the vaccine. She also said that they simply don't know how many antibodies you need to have exactly to be protected from becoming very sick. And she said that the doctor said that she does not know of any tests available in Switzerland that can show antibodies developed specifically from the vaccine.

I'm still tempted to have a regular antibodies test, though, since I had had one prior to receiving my first dose, at the suggestion of my doctor (it showed I didn't have any antibodies at the time). So now that I've been fully vaccinated since June 9th, if by chance, a new / regular antibodies test now would show that I do have antibodies, I guess I would at least feel a bit more reassured that the vaccine was successful for me. It's only 50 CHF, so I guess I guess I kind of figure why not.

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Old 21.07.2021, 16:06
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But my dr. said that she knows of no such test available here in Switzerland and that a regular antibodies test would not show whatever antibodies someone develops from the vaccine.
My village doctor has been offering the Elisa antibody test at her surgery since last Spring 2020. https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...led%20antigens.

You can get a home test which has a 3 day turnaround for about 59 CHF, or go to a chemist in Zurich and get the results in 15 mins for about 82 CHF.

https://www.cerascreen.ch/products/c...SAAEgLO_vD_BwE

https://www.victoria-apotheke.ch/en/...antibody-test/
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:18
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My village doctor has been offering the Elisa antibody test at her surgery since last Spring 2020. https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article...led%20antigens.

You can get a home test which has a 3 day turnaround for about 59 CHF, or go to a chemist in Zurich and get the results in 15 mins for about 82 CHF.

https://www.cerascreen.ch/products/c...SAAEgLO_vD_BwE

https://www.victoria-apotheke.ch/en/...antibody-test/
Thanks. I had found that post-vaccine Cerascreen home test online the other day when I was researching into it, but that test received bad reviews so I had decided against it at the time (basically, a lot of the reviews were saying that they hadn't received their results in time or never did, etc.).

I wonder if the ELISA test is just a general antibodies test. I know I can get that at my doctor's office no problem. I guess I was hoping for something that is more specifically designed to detect antibodies developed from the vaccine, like the Cerascreen test claims to.
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:32
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I guess I was hoping for something that is more specifically designed to detect antibodies developed from the vaccine, like the Cerascreen test claims to.
I wonder if anyone reputable would claim that the antibodies in a test are directly caused by the vaccine rather than an asymptomatic covid case.
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I wonder if anyone reputable would claim that the antibodies in a test are directly caused by the vaccine rather than an asymptomatic covid case.
If you only have antibodies to S proteins and no to N proteins, that it's probably from a vaccine.
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:39
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I'm sorry if this seems like I'm changing the subject, but I was wondering if anyone here can remind me who it was that had posted here a few weeks ago that they had received an antibodies test that showed the antibodies they developed from the vaccine?

The reason I ask is because I talked to my doctor's office earlier today about getting one for myself, as I'm still a bit nervous about our upcoming camping trip; and if there is any way possible, I'd like to feel reassured that my two doses did in fact cause me to produce antibodies. But my dr. said that she knows of no such test available here in Switzerland and that a regular antibodies test would not show whatever antibodies someone develops from the vaccine.
It was me. The test measured the N and S proteins and the S proteins are the ones arising from the mRNA vaccines.

This is what the note on the bottom of the results said

«Isolated anti-SARS-CoV-2-Spike(S) protein antibodies. Results consistent with anti- SARS-CoV-2 immunization.»

A positive result is greater than 0.80, mine were close to a thousand.

I had no N protein antibodies.
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:40
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I wonder if anyone reputable would claim that the antibodies in a test are directly caused by the vaccine rather than an asymptomatic covid case.
That's a good question.

For myself, at least, I had an antibodies test in May, just prior to getting my first jab, and it showed that I had no antibodies. So if I had another test now, and it showed me having antibodies, I suspect it would most likely be due to the vaccine. I did catch an awful RS virus from my son just a few days after getting my second dose (we both tested negative for Covid, and the dr. said it was a bad RS virus that was going around in the schools). So I know every case is different, but for myself, I think that any antibodies I would have now would probably be due to the vaccine. Anyways, I guess it doesn't matter too much in the sense that I just want to know whether or not I have antibodies now so I can go camping without having to constantly worry about the virus. How I got the antibodies would be somewhat secondary.
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:42
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It was me. The test measured the N and S proteins and the S proteins are the ones arising from the mRNA vaccines.

This is what the note on the bottom of the results said

«Isolated anti-SARS-CoV-2-Spike(S) protein antibodies. Results consistent with anti- SARS-CoV-2 immunization.»

A positive result is greater than 0.80, mine were close to a thousand.

I had no N protein antibodies.
Thank you sooo much for that! I'm going to copy and paste this in an email to my doctor. I had told her (well, her assistant) that I knew of someone here in CH that had an antibodies test done that was specifically for detecting antibodies from the vaccine, and she had no idea that such a thing even existed.

Thank you again!
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Old 21.07.2021, 16:43
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I wonder if anyone reputable would claim that the antibodies in a test are directly caused by the vaccine rather than an asymptomatic covid case.
S protein antibodies with no N protein antibodies are a result of vaccination using mRNA vaccines.
An Covid infection, even asymptotic, would give N protein antibodies.
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Thank you sooo much for that! I'm going to copy and paste this in an email to my doctor. I had told her (well, her assistant) that I knew of someone here in CH that had an antibodies test done that was specifically for detecting antibodies from the vaccine, and she had no idea that such a thing even existed.

Thank you again!
If you want to send me your email address I can send you a copy of the whole thing. I am not willing to post that on a public forum.
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Old 21.07.2021, 17:02
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I'm sorry if this seems like I'm changing the subject, but I was wondering if anyone here can remind me who it was that had posted here a few weeks ago that they had received an antibodies test that showed the antibodies they developed from the vaccine?

The reason I ask is because I talked to my doctor's office earlier today about getting one for myself, as I'm still a bit nervous about our upcoming camping trip; and if there is any way possible, I'd like to feel reassured that my two doses did in fact cause me to produce antibodies. But my dr. said that she knows of no such test available here in Switzerland and that a regular antibodies test would not show whatever antibodies someone develops from the vaccine.
Time for a new doctor?
Spike (S): These tests show antibodies to the spike protein that are produced after vaccination

Nucleocapsid (N): These tests show antibodies to Nucleocapsid identify individuals who have had a recent or prior COVID-19 infection,

Roche offers both types of tests.
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If you want to send me your email address I can send you a copy of the whole thing. I am not willing to post that on a public forum.
Thanks. I'll do that now.

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It very well may be. I'm hoping she'll take interest in this -- learning that there actually is a test(s) available here that can detect antibodies from the vaccine. Now I guess it's just a matter of finding out if she has access to one.
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Spike (S): These tests show antibodies to the spike protein that are produced after vaccination
Or natural infection.
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Or natural infection.
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Tiny K is right. And those tests are pure rubbish. Marton please start playing solitaire or smthg, save this planet )
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No she isn’t wrong. The virus has spike proteins so natural infection with also induce spike protein antibodies as well as the N protein ones.
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That's why I don't like when people call these tests "antibodies after vaccination" and "antibodies after natural infection", because these names are misleading.
 

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