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Old 23.07.2021, 08:58
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Re: Coronavirus

England has abandoned measures, not the UK. In Scotland death count is at a 4 month high despite a fall in cases.

Football has shown how easy it is to spread the virus……

And think of the ‚pingdemic‘ now ongoing in the UK?
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:00
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Re: Coronavirus

I wonder why - not enough vax? Those are the deaths that England already went through, I think.

CZ has had free 3x week antigen tests for those who don't do homeoffice and aren't vaxed yet. It seems more efficient than getting pinged and outa work for 10 days.

I have reservations about reliability of those quick tests. But asymptomatic and tested 3x week seems to work.
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:05
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I should have written the efficacy is dropping in elderly patients to what is expected.
Do you mean that the efficacy is lower than expected in older patients even after taking the age related factors into account?
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:19
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Do you mean that the efficacy is lower than expected in older patients even after taking the age related factors into account?
Exactly that
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:20
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It’s called immunosenescence. I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised by this, the immune system declines with age and vaccines are generally less effective in older people.
I have often wondered why I have never seen any mention of immunosenescence in all the very many pages I have read about this virus.
I did not want to post about here to avoid unnecessarily worrying people.
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:23
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I have often wondered why I have never seen any mention of immunosenescence in all the very many pages I have read about this virus.
I did not want to post about here to avoid unnecessarily worrying people.
Readership is young, most users are probably under 60.
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting article in the NY Times on breakthrough infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/h...ons-delta.html

(May have a paywall)
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:58
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Interesting article in the NY Times on breakthrough infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/h...ons-delta.html

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That‘s a good article. I didn‘t experience a paywall. I think some media outlets dropped paywalls for certain covid topics.
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Old 23.07.2021, 09:59
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Interesting article in the NY Times on breakthrough infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/22/h...ons-delta.html

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Every day we learn something new about this scourge.
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:02
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I have often wondered why I have never seen any mention of immunosenescence in all the very many pages I have read about this virus.
I did not want to post about here to avoid unnecessarily worrying people.
I have seen mention that the vax is less effective in older folks many times because one’s immune system is less effective with age. I’ve not seen the word immunosenescence often if at all. If you reading stuff aimed at the public, it could be that journalists shy away from really long words. (I read mostly US media).


From the beginning though, scientists have postulated that the goal of the vax was to reduce serious illness and hospitalization. No matter which vax you get, this seems to be the outcome. And it‘s also been postulated that older people, immunosuppressed people may find the vax to be less effective. Did people expect different outcomes?

To me, the one big question is long covid. Who gets it and how to treat it.
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:18
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To me, the one big question is long covid. Who gets it and how to treat it.
I have a friend in Sweden - very fit and healthy, early 30's & had a minor case of Covid-19. He was unable to get out of bed for weeks, also constant IBS and no sense of taste & smell - he is doing slightly better now since getting the vaccine. Apparently that is helping some people...

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:31
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I have a friend in Sweden - very fit and healthy, early 30's & had a minor case of Covid-19. He was unable to get out of bed for weeks, also constant IBS and no sense of taste & smell - he is doing slightly better now since getting the vaccine. Apparently that is helping some people...

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid
My immunologist friend was scathing about the idea that vaccines can help long covid. He says its a mixture of pysch in some, and just healing with time coinciding with vaccination for others.
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:33
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Re: Coronavirus

Third shots may become common for immunocompromised peeps; I think France is already doing it, and the CDC is thinking about it...

https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/07/22...ed-vaccination
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:38
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Third shots may become common for immunocompromised peeps; I think France is already doing it, and the CDC is thinking about it...

https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/07/22...ed-vaccination
In the countries that say the vaccine gives 6 month protection rather than 12 a lot of people are coming due for a further shot anyway .
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Old 23.07.2021, 10:49
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Re: Coronavirus

And there we have it : China witholds data from WHO Covid investigators: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN2BM26S Interesting that WHO's director reported it, China voted him in the WHO.

And a few hours old: China Has Rejected A WHO Plan For Further Investigation Into The Origins Of COVID-19 https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ab-leak-theory

I do not think withholding data and not letting investigation teams in helps the situation. The money made on the virus and long term gain/damage will be the loudest indicator, I think...not a blanket refusal that it is all just a political campaign.
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My immunologist friend was scathing about the idea that vaccines can help long covid. He says its a mixture of pysch in some, and just healing with time coinciding with vaccination for others.
Perhaps, my friend is only slightly better in that he is able to enjoy the garden now rather than being in bed all day ...

Maybe it has a placebo effect - but I genuinely dislike this "psych" statement, as individuals with post viral fatigue (i.e. CFS/chronic fatigue syndrome) hear incessantly that "it is all in their head" - it is not.
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Old 23.07.2021, 11:22
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Exactly that
Thanks, even you revised post didn’t make that very clear.
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers 791 out of 28 k tests

13 hospitalisations
2 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week friday 619 out of 36 k tests

5 hospitalisations
1 death
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Todays published numbers 791 out of 28 k tests

13 hospitalisations
2 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week friday 619 out of 36 k tests

5 hospitalisations
1 death
I guess many people have left for holidays, thus less tests and less infections. I was in Migros today and it didn't felt like Friday at all, more like Monday when it's empty.
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Re: Coronavirus

Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19

"People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...24-2/fulltext#

(Just sharing; I have no competence to judge the study)
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