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Old 23.07.2021, 17:33
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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19

"People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...24-2/fulltext#

(Just sharing; I have no competence to judge the study)
It‘s interesting. A lot of people report having chemo brain for years after chemotherapy, and it‘s been dismissed in many instances as being „in your head“, but it‘s pervasive. I wonder if cognitive changes post covid are similar.
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Old 23.07.2021, 18:05
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Third shots may become common for immunocompromised peeps; I think France is already doing it, and the CDC is thinking about it...

https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/07/22...ed-vaccination
My neighbour's doctor gave her an antibody test 2 weeks after her second Pfizer vaccination and advised her to have a third, which she did a few weeks later. The last antibody test was deemed satisfactory, but she's booked in for a booster in autumn.
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Old 24.07.2021, 01:45
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I think rather than % from vaccinated and % from unvaccinated the most informative measure to look at is positivity in the unvaccinated and vaccinated populations.

For the UK, you are about 5 times more likely to get infected if you are unvaccinated.

Naturally, if you are both unvaccinated and not previously infected, that figure is going to be higher still.
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Old 24.07.2021, 04:58
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Re: Coronavirus

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Don’t be worried if your antibody levels were low after vaccination

Most antibody tests detect nucleocapsid (+ after natural infection) and not spike protein (included in vaccine).

Antibody tests are NOT designed to detect vaccine-induced andibodies
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Old 24.07.2021, 10:31
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Can you point to data that supports this assertion?
There was a study published in the NEJM using UK data a couple of days ago to some fanfare showing the vaccines to be exceptionally effective against symptomatic Covid including Delta variant.Only issue the data they used was from May 2021 before cases exploded up to 50k per day. Any study of the Delta wave will no doubt show the vaccines to be far less effective against contracting Covid than originally believed.


https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2ER2FO

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-delta-variant
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There was a study published in the NEJM using UK data a couple of days ago to some fanfare showing the vaccines to be exceptionally effective against symptomatic Covid including Delta variant.Only issue the data they used was from May 2021 before cases exploded up to 50k per day. Any study of the Delta wave will no doubt show the vaccines to be far less effective against contracting Covid than originally believed.


https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2ER2FO

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-delta-variant
No doubt? Is that an opinion or a fact?
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Old 24.07.2021, 11:53
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There was a study published in the NEJM using UK data a couple of days ago to some fanfare showing the vaccines to be exceptionally effective against symptomatic Covid including Delta variant.Only issue the data they used was from May 2021 before cases exploded up to 50k per day. Any study of the Delta wave will no doubt show the vaccines to be far less effective against contracting Covid than originally believed.


https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2ER2FO

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/v...-delta-variant

Tony, please stop - this is officially trolling. Stating opinions as if they are facts for what reason? To provoke and bother. Please just stop!!
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Old 24.07.2021, 17:28
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No doubt? Is that an opinion or a fact?
Yes, no doubt, it’ll take a while for it to be “official” but when 90% of the country has antibodies and there was 50k daily cases then it doesn’t take a genius to see what’s going on. Put it this way, if I were a betting man, I’d put my mortgage on the effectiveness of the vaccines against Covid infection soon to be confirmed as being significantly less effective than first reported.

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Tony, please stop - this is officially trolling. Stating opinions as if they are facts for what reason? To provoke and bother. Please just stop!!
Excuse me, but reporting on the latest news and giving an explanation as to why this is the case isn’t “trolling”. If the latest data doesn’t match to your expectation then that’s not my problem, nor if you wish to be in denial of this increasingly obvious reality.

If it helps, the vaccines are still looking very effective against serious illness and death, which is the main point surely ��♂️
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Yes, no doubt, it’ll take a while for it to be “official” but when 90% of the country has antibodies and there was 50k daily cases then it doesn’t take a genius to see what’s going on. Put it this way, if I were a betting man, I’d put my mortgage on the effectiveness of the vaccines against Covid infection soon to be confirmed as being significantly less effective than first reported.

Excuse me, but reporting on the latest news and giving an explanation as to why this is the case isn’t “trolling”. If the latest data doesn’t match to your expectation then that’s not my problem, nor if you wish to be in denial of this increasingly obvious reality.

If it helps, the vaccines are still looking very effective against serious illness and death, which is the main point surely ��♂️
Tony there is ample positivity data showing vaccinated people are infected at 1/5 the numbers of unvaccinated. That's with mainly AZ. Protection would be closer to 90% if you were comparing to immunologically naive population.

THEN even if you are unlucky enough to get infected it's more often mild disease.

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Old 24.07.2021, 22:59
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Was reading this, thought might be of interest -



And what are those pictures showing ?

One individual versus another individual (wouldn’t that make it anecdotal evidence ?)
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Old 24.07.2021, 23:47
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And what are those pictures showing ?

One individual versus another individual (wouldn’t that make it anecdotal evidence ?)
Don't shoot the messenger. It was headline news on 20min so I posted it here.
I am fully vaccinated, so it is whatever it is.

You can do a Google translate-
https://www.20min.ch/story/so-unters...n-316010754562
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Old 25.07.2021, 11:11
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Don't shoot the messenger. It was headline news on 20min so I posted it here.
I am fully vaccinated, so it is whatever it is.

You can do a Google translate-
https://www.20min.ch/story/so-unters...n-316010754562
Im not shooting any messengers .

It seems to me that when the reputable media (cough cough) needs to stoop this low and reputable medical professionals need to lend their name and credibility in support of them , that they are fearing that the immunization goal won’t be met and they are now transitioning to blind panic mode
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Old 25.07.2021, 13:33
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Read this carefully... then, keep on masking your children,yourselves, obstruct their,your breathing...

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Old 25.07.2021, 15:53
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Interesting thread on correlation of cases and hospitalizations in the UK. Of course, this only looks at hospital admissions in total, not at ICU or death rates. Still, a number of good points in my view.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfColin...02366799163392

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Old 25.07.2021, 16:15
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I wouldn't worry, I looked at my poop this morning and using her methodology, I'm perfectly healthy. The woman's a nut.
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Old 25.07.2021, 16:21
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I wouldn't worry, I looked at my poop this morning and using her methodology, I'm perfectly healthy. The woman's a nut.
The Poo lady ...
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Old 25.07.2021, 16:46
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Ato, I'm really sorry to hear you have this approach to how you process information. Be it from the internet in general or from a member here.

Obviously I am not listening to >> what that lady has to say, ... It's the information she mentioned that is important. (she might have said how paris is the capital of france , would she be wrong?)

I understand how people dont have time to devote in filtering information , reading, listening to different debates etc. and they tend to stick with what's been said officialy or they trust certain people. My friends trust me because they know what's my criteria and my connections and sources.
I trust some people for the same reasons as well as some members here.

And here is the original information so have a look at it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhvA-DmXYg
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Old 25.07.2021, 16:50
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Ato, I'm really sorry to hear you have this approach to how you process information. Be it from the internet in general or from a member here.

Obviously I am not listening to >> what that lady has to say, ... It's the information she mentioned that is important. (she might have said how paris is the capital of france , would she be wrong?)

I understand how people dont have time to devote in filtering information , reading, listening to different debates etc. and they tend to stick with what's been said officialy or they trust certain people. My friends trust me because they know what's my criteria and my connections and sources.
I trust some people for the same reasons as well as some members here.

And here is the original information so have a look at it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhvA-DmXYg
Maybe you should quote proper, direct sources then in the first place.
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Old 25.07.2021, 16:51
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Ato, I'm really sorry to hear you have this approach to how you process information. Be it from the internet in general or from a member here.
Why couldn't you post the original information first rather than a woman who has a history of being discredited and talking nonsense?
I'm all for differing points of view, but I'm not going to waste my time listening to a proven liar just in case they are right, the boy that cried wolf comes to mind.
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Old 25.07.2021, 17:22
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When I saw that tweet , the headline of the text had a link below and it was one of the uk newspapers. From the time I saw it and came back to screenshot it the link is missing.

I totally forgot about Gillian and I cant see how she's such a big liar (they made a huge thing because she used the Dr. which is not used used in Europe unless you are a med.doctor) whereas in the US you can be a Dr. if you went to some osteopathy,physio,nutritional school..

If you apply that same logic than definitely you shouldnt listen to pharma companies.. like pfizer , who for years have lied, cheated, forged documents(which involves altering, changing and modifying a document for the purpose of deceiving another person or an authority , like fda etc.) yet they did it .

Sandra Jordan, a former federal prosecutor and professor at the Charlotte School of Law in North Carolina, said: “Pfizer can survive this and pay the money. If it had fought the government at trial and lost, and a judge imposed a criminal sentence, that could have resulted in a corporate death penalty. That would have put Pfizer out of business.


Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pfizer Inc agreed on Wednesday to plead guilty to a U.S. criminal charge relating to promotion of its now-withdrawn Bextra pain medicine and will pay a record $2.3 billion to settle allegations it improperly marketed 13 medicines.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...5813XB20090902

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...nt-its-history
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