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13.03.2020, 09:23
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Of course. How long? 3 months? 4? 5? | | | | |
As long as possible/practical I suppose. If you can get food delivered by someone, and take exercise late night, early morning, it's possible to go a long time I'd expect.
A vaccine will come, but too late for this episode.
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13.03.2020, 09:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I'm almost 100% sure that won't happen, but only because of those words "confirmed cases". Switzerland refuses to test all but the most critical cases (those who "are having problems breathing"), so the reality is that we'll never know how many individuals are infected with the coronavirus, while the number of "confirmed cases" stays static or increases only very slowly.
Also, are those numbers of individuals infected, or of infection sites?
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13.03.2020, 09:28
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I'm almost 100% sure that won't happen, but only because of those words "confirmed cases". Switzerland refuses to test all but the most critical cases (those who "are having problems breathing"), so the reality is that we'll never know how many individuals are infected with the coronavirus, while the number of "confirmed cases" stays static or increases only very slowly. | | | | | UK also announced the same measures. Only people admitted to hospital get tested.
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13.03.2020, 09:37
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Wrong.
Take the time to read if not the document mentioned, at least the article in your link.
The document talks about recommendations to follow in case the situation should become impossible to deal with. The authors themselves stated that the intention was to stimulate a reaction to avoid getting to that point.
We're still a long way from that point.
What Italy is doing is precisely to avoid being at this point.
Until now in Italy no doctor has had to choose which patient to treat and which to let die.
Please, the subject is serious, it also requires seriousness to talk about it in a public forum | | | | | I am serious. So was this article yesterday, New York Times: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...-care.amp.html | 
13.03.2020, 09:42
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | As long as possible/practical I suppose. If you can get food delivered by someone, and take exercise late night, early morning, it's possible to go a long time I'd expect.
A vaccine will come, but too late for this episode. | | | | | I think that's where I see the weak point of the delay plan, not enough info on efficient long term self isolation for those at risk.
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13.03.2020, 09:56
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| | Re: Coronavirus
considering it's the number 1. thing we can all do to fight this crappy CoV (and i hope we are all doing it more) here is yet another "instructional video" to tell you how to do something we all should have been doing regularly anyway... | The following 4 users would like to thank swissotter for this useful post: | | 
13.03.2020, 10:05
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I feel the same way Odile... It's a "Catch 22" for me as well. If I can change my flight back to the US (a BIG if as I still cannot get through to American Airlines!), then I risk a 14 day quarantine and my kids who live in our house and work would probably also be subject to the quarantine.
And from what my US friends tell me, nursing homes in the US are starting to prohibit all visitation rights so even if I get through the 14 day quarantine and my Mom somehow is still living, chances are very high that I could not visit her. (I can't say I blame them!)
And what if my Mom passes while I am in quarantine? Then I could not attend her funeral - which would make me so angry and sad.
I just spoke to the US Consular office in Zurich and they also advised me that if I did choose to fly back, then there is no guarantee Switzerland would allow me back in. Switzerland is in the "eye" of the storm but the US are at least a month behind. And if things go pear shaped in the US, there is a very good chance that Switzerland will enact a similar ban to Trump for US visitors - Quid pro quo.
My sense is that I should stay put and hope and pray for the best for my Mom. I keep thinking about the military and how many of them lost loved ones while serving and they still did their duty... Many have been in my shoes but let's face it: the timing stinks for me! But it is what it is (one of my Mom's favorite adages...) | | | | | Terrifisch I'm sorry you're in this terrible situation but a few thoughts that might help.
In the event your mother passes while you're in quarantine (if you even get to that stage), you should have some say as her child as to when services would be. Funerals aren't for the deceased, they're for the living and an important part of the grieving process.
I imagine at some point Switzerland will implement travel restrictions similar to other countries. However if you're a resident here they can't exactly make you stay somewhere else for an indefinite amount of time. I think they'd have to admit you after checking you and then again order you to self-quarantine for 14 days. What a mess. | The following 3 users would like to thank 3Wishes for this useful post: | | 
13.03.2020, 10:09
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | ...Switzerland refuses to test all but the most critical cases... | | | | | This is actually not 100% true, maybe varies by region. I know several people that have been tested recently despite definitely not being critical. All were flu btw. I suspect the non-testing is where there are no or only very mild symptoms. A mistake but still not quite only the most critical cases.
It is now pretty certain that there is a fair to large reservoir of undiagnosed cases in most countries (exceptions are certain Asian countries). Do a little reading and you will see. The USA is thought to be one of the worst for this btw. | Quote: | |  | | | I'm almost 100% sure that won't happen | | | | | If you read the study you will see that Switzerland is already nearer scenario 2 than 1. But there's still some significant steps the country has to take - guess we'll be seeing some more this afternoon.
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13.03.2020, 10:10
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | |
Wrong again. But I can understand, you do not speak italian, you have to rely on clickbaiting titles, and instead of verifying, you just spread around that stuff, and I chose to be polite.
From the above article:
-The mayor of one town complained that doctors were forced to decide not to treat the very old, leaving them to die.
WRONG. Even worst, he said they should. Not because is happening, in the worst case scenario. Was not well received, you know...
-In another town, patients with coronavirus-caused pneumonia were being sent home.
No source, of course. And if you have pneumonia but you do not need intensive care, whats wrong with that?
-Elsewhere, a nurse collapsed with her mask on, her photograph becoming a symbol of overwhelmed medical staff.
Wrong again. She she fell asleep at the end of her shift, a little bit different, isn'it? Oh, the picture was shared with the intenct to thanks her and colleagues for the effort, not to denounce something.
Should I go on?
Please, stop spreading this stuff and talk about what you really know and not what you find around who suits your bias.
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13.03.2020, 10:11
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| | Re: Coronavirus
might be a reasonable strategy to try to slow down the spread rather than prevent it and shoot for herd immunity.
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13.03.2020, 10:13
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Be pragmatic and stay safe - you mean? Her thoughts exactly! She has lived an amazing life. Time for me to let go; easier said than done... | | | | | Exactly that. She knows how much you love her and would want to be there with her but these are exceptional circumstances and I’m sure she would want you to make your well-being your priority right now.
She’s had a long life and I am sure you have lots of wonderful memories of her to look back on, try to focus on those right now.
It will be a very difficult time for you and I do know how you feel. It will be 10 years next week since my mum passed away and I can still vividly recall being on the phone with the care home manager discussing travelling over to see her when the nurse came in and told her she just passed away. Nobody predicted that she would go so quickly and I’m happy for her that it was quick and painless but damn I wish I’d been there with her. My brother who lived nearby was also unable to get there before she passed but she was not alone, the fabulous McMillan nurse was there with her and we will always be thankful for that.
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13.03.2020, 10:14
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | might be a reasonable strategy to try to slow down the spread rather than prevent it and shoot for herd immunity. | | | | | That's exactly what they are all now shooting for....that or keep it decently bottled in so as to not completely overload healthcare and until a vaccine is available.
Will be interesting to see how many anti-vaxers suddenly grab at that vaccine when it becomes available.
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13.03.2020, 10:16
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Wrong again. But I can understand, you do not speak italian, you have to rely on clickbaiting titles, and instead of verifying, you just spread around that stuff, and I chose to be polite.
From the above article:
-The mayor of one town complained that doctors were forced to decide not to treat the very old, leaving them to die.
WRONG. Even worst, he said they should. Not because is happening, in the worst case scenario. Was not well received, you know...
-In another town, patients with coronavirus-caused pneumonia were being sent home.
No source, of course. And if you have pneumonia but you do not need intensive care, whats wrong with that?
-Elsewhere, a nurse collapsed with her mask on, her photograph becoming a symbol of overwhelmed medical staff.
Wrong again. She she fell asleep at the end of her shift, a little bit different, isn'it? Oh, the picture was shared with the intenct to thanks her and colleagues for the effort, not to denounce something.
Should I go on?
Please, stop spreading this stuff and talk about what you really know and not what you find around who suits your bias. | | | | | Reposting New York Times is hardly spreading gossip  I understand your overreaction but instead of underinterpreting one journalist, let readers read the NYT and make opinion (or stock of what they might need, create network, prepare) as the see fit.
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13.03.2020, 10:19
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Reposting New York Times is hardly spreading gossip I understand your overreaction but instead of underinterpreting one journalist, let readers read the NYT and make opinion (or stock of what they might need, create network, prepare) as the see fit. | | | | |
I'm not underinterpreting, I'm telling you what's happening in Italy, whithout the need to write clickbaiting stuff. Have you checked the sources of the ''news'' you quote? Of corse not. Well, I have.
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13.03.2020, 10:26
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not underinterpreting, I'm telling you what's happening in Italy, whithout the need to write clickbaiting stuff. Have you checked the sources of the ''news'' you quote? Of corse not. Well, I have. | | | | | We got a guy at work who lives in Varese, we get the latest from him at the morning coffee break.
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13.03.2020, 10:32
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | This is actually not 100% true, maybe varies by region. I know several people that have been tested recently despite definitely not being critical. All were flu btw. I suspect the non-testing is where there are no or only very mild symptoms. A mistake but still not quite only the most critical cases.
It is now pretty certain that there is a fair to large reservoir of undiagnosed cases in most countries (exceptions are certain Asian countries). Do a little reading and you will see. The USA is thought to be one of the worst for this btw.
If you read the study you will see that Switzerland is already nearer scenario 2 than 1. But there's still some significant steps the country has to take - guess we'll be seeing some more this afternoon. | | | | | It was revealed yesterday that the US has done a total of only 11,000 tests due to a shortage of kits, South Korea manages 10,000 tests per day.
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13.03.2020, 10:42
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Wrong again. But I can understand, you do not speak italian, you have to rely on clickbaiting titles, and instead of verifying, you just spread around that stuff, and I chose to be polite.
From the above article:
-The mayor of one town complained that doctors were forced to decide not to treat the very old, leaving them to die.
WRONG. Even worst, he said they should. Not because is happening, in the worst case scenario. Was not well received, you know...
-In another town, patients with coronavirus-caused pneumonia were being sent home.
No source, of course. And if you have pneumonia but you do not need intensive care, whats wrong with that?
-Elsewhere, a nurse collapsed with her mask on, her photograph becoming a symbol of overwhelmed medical staff.
Wrong again. She she fell asleep at the end of her shift, a little bit different, isn'it? Oh, the picture was shared with the intenct to thanks her and colleagues for the effort, not to denounce something.
Should I go on?
Please, stop spreading this stuff and talk about what you really know and not what you find around who suits your bias. | | | | | Most of us probably don't speak Italian here so it would be an asset that you do. We are all affected by this virus one way or the other and being expats in Switzerland (or further away as in my case) somethings do get lost in translation which can lead to added frustration.
Please do continue to help us translate any articles - keep us informed or Italian news updates.This would be of great interest to us on this thread. We relied heavily on reporting outside (and inside) china from both foreign and chinese new sources. The focus has shifted now to Europe and of course Italy.
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13.03.2020, 10:43
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | Wrong again. But I can understand, you do not speak italian, you have to rely on clickbaiting titles, and instead of verifying, you just spread around that stuff, and I chose to be polite.
. | | | | | Unfortunately I read interviews with people who work in the first line of hospitals in Northern Italy and the situation is pretty bad.
I really wish you were right though. Italy suffering is no joy, trust me. On the contrary.
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13.03.2020, 10:51
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My advice . Don't listen to the MAINSTREAM!. Live your life as normal!
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13.03.2020, 10:55
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| | Re: Coronavirus | Quote: | |  | | | My advice . Don't listen to the MAINSTREAM!. Live your life as normal! | | | | | My advice? Listen to Omtwatsat, get the virus and help spread it to thousands more.
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