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Masks,
The manufacturer- tells you how it can not 'filter' or 'capture' the virus.

Medecine tells you how a mask /cloth can not protect you... since, if someone is ill, has the virus and is coughing, sneezing in that case the tiny particles will straight away fall into the eyes and the infection starts from there.

We as humans can not and should not engage into some fetishism, travesty of obstructing our most essential act , like -breathing. Even a dog mouth cover has the nose outside while here we've gone into some total submission as covering -nose-.
This is not without consequences. If you put a cotton pad on your eye and you stick it, during the day the eye will either go very dry or it'll produce some epiphora, tearing. Also, this will produce growth of bacteria. The eye is not designed to be covered.
The nose : same thing. You are obstructing your breath and you inhale differenetly and you inhale different particules and by exhaling you're also obstructing the whole process and this leads to growth of bacteria and breathing problems.(because our brain is confused and starts acting in a bizzare way)


Masks will make sense only and only once someone will be able to explain this:





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So tell me Einstein, what harm do they do?

OTOH, don’t bother, I won’t believe you.
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So is this where "science" is setting the bar now?


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Masks,
The manufacturer- tells you how it can not 'filter' or 'capture' the virus.

Medecine tells you how a mask /cloth can not protect you... since, if someone is ill, has the virus and is coughing, sneezing in that case the tiny particles will straight away fall into the eyes and the infection starts from there.

We as humans can not and should not engage into some fetishism, travesty of obstructing our most essential act , like -breathing. Even a dog mouth cover has the nose outside while here we've gone into some total submission as covering -nose-.
This is not without consequences. If you put a cotton pad on your eye and you stick it, during the day the eye will either go very dry or it'll produce some epiphora, tearing. Also, this will produce growth of bacteria. The eye is not designed to be covered.
The nose : same thing. You are obstructing your breath and you inhale differenetly and you inhale different particules and by exhaling you're also obstructing the whole process and this leads to growth of bacteria and breathing problems.(because our brain is confused and starts acting in a bizzare way)


Masks will make sense only and only once someone will be able to explain this:
*shudders*
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Old 28.07.2021, 20:45
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So is this where "science" is setting the bar now?
If I were you I would visit the bar now before the lockdowns.
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hm?? so Chuff , why I shouldnt shudder ?

Is it really wrong to be disturbed by these images? How come intelligent people here like you and marton who can do all day copy-paste of numbers , graphs and such.. can not at one stage take a minute and think and sort of weigh things, compare, adjust, analyse .. and put on a pause what you hear from the media (which creates your opinion) ask yourselves
How come we are using cloths on childrens nose-mouth?
Is there really a danger that big ...That can be fixed with a cloth on the nose-mouth ?
In the summer (??) where even sars cov1 or cov2 can not exist...And then , where are those ill people that the child will encounter .. knowing how, in order to be ill, you have a fever, you're coughing for weeks, trouble breathing, bodyaches , you are ill and not going around the shops, the city, the playground, the school etc.... ?

And actually why is it bad to discuss this since children are the weakest ones in the society. Are we really sure we are protecting their health with this ..?

How come information like, children age 9-15 have commited so many suicides in 2020 there are far more children dead from suicide than covid(out of covid 0,00012%)

In the meantime a short intermezzo with how we were protecting guantanamo prisoners from 2003-2015 from viruses...

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Re: Coronavirus

According to a new preprint study

The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine fell from 96 percent to 84 percent over six months.

The ongoing study with more than 44,000 participants across the Americas and Europe determined the vaccine was overall 91.1 percent effective after 81 cases emerged among the vaccinated and 873 among those who received the placebo.

The efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease including hospitalizations remained high, at 97 percent.
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Old 28.07.2021, 21:08
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In the summer (??) where even sars cov1 or cov2 can not exist...And then , where are those ill people that the child will encounter ..
Show me this summer you speak of. Is Basel that different to Zürich?
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According to a new preprint study

The effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine fell from 96 percent to 84 percent over six months.

The ongoing study with more than 44,000 participants across the Americas and Europe determined the vaccine was overall 91.1 percent effective after 81 cases emerged among the vaccinated and 873 among those who received the placebo.

The efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease including hospitalizations remained high, at 97 percent.
Have they checked to see that the unvaccinated were not previously infected?
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Old 28.07.2021, 21:34
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We as humans can not and should not engage into some fetishism, travesty of obstructing our most essential act , like -breathing.

The nose : same thing. You are obstructing your breath and you inhale differenetly and you inhale different particules and by exhaling you're also obstructing the whole process and this leads to growth of bacteria and breathing problems.(because our brain is confused and starts acting in a bizzare way)

Funny, many surgeons wear masks for hours and hours each day and yet somehow they breathe and manage to perform surgery just fine.
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Pancakes... that argument "surgeons" . It is really painful to see intelligent people reasoning like that... are you a surgeon or are those children, guantanamo prisoners surgeons ?

Many surgeons have explained this but the mass media is not showing that - every day. Also, if you know a surgeon or have a family member..ask..you will see.

Here: the surgeon is wearing a mask in a totally sterile environement. This is important.(for diff reasons) . When the surgeon is entering the operation theatre this place is kept at a constant temp of 20C (18C for some surgeries)
The room has a complete ventilation at a pro level.
The surgeon, explains, how while they're doing the surgery they're not moving at all. They are breathing at a constant and regular pace. They're not even talking. Not touching the mask either.

The mask there, is not to protect the patient from a virus that the Dr may have ..nor the patient can have a virus that could go into doctor's nose-mouth-eyes.

The mask is there because the surgeon will make an incision and will work on an open wound (if it's not lapr.) and this is important because once the patient has an open wound any particle (like saliva, bacteria ,germs) can enter and this can lead to an infection.
When we are walking around or sitting , children also, we're not with an open wound. Also, that mask in that sterile environment is there because of its statics and all those particles (the virus being the smallest can enter throught the mask) but they will all "stick"on the outer side of the mask.

Once the patient's wound is taken care of the patient is taken to their room.

The surgeon and the nurses will visit the patient , without wearing masks. No matter if the op was open heart surgery that lasted 8hours or 1h oper.

Conclusion: not only masks are useless ,they're not serving their purpose in fact we have even new illnesses due to the wearing masks. (skin inflamations, acne, sore throat) ..
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Funny, many surgeons wear masks for hours and hours each day and yet somehow they breathe and manage to perform surgery just fine.
To protect the patient, not to protect the surgeon.
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"the surgeon is wearing a mask in a totally sterile environment."

Bollocks. You don't seem to have much idea about masks, their use and their effectiveness.
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KiwiSteve, I didnt mean it in absolute terms. It was an illustration .. Even the op.block(the air) is not sterile (I mean aseptic) But that's what the surgery theatre bloc is aiming for .. and even with great AC and other technology because of the lamps and bacteria .. the totally sterilised instruments once taken out of their film protection become "contaminated" .

This is why instrumetns are even kept on side and devices like the Ultra clean air flow need to be turned on in order to keep instruments sterile from airborne contamination.
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Old 28.07.2021, 22:41
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Pancakes... that argument "surgeons" . It is really painful to see intelligent people reasoning like that... are you a surgeon or are those children, guantanamo prisoners surgeons ?

Many surgeons have explained this but the mass media is not showing that - every day. Also, if you know a surgeon or have a family member..ask..you will see.

Here: the surgeon is wearing a mask in a totally sterile environement. This is important.(for diff reasons) . When the surgeon is entering the operation theatre this place is kept at a constant temp of 20C (18C for some surgeries)
The room has a complete ventilation at a pro level.
The surgeon, explains, how while they're doing the surgery they're not moving at all. They are breathing at a constant and regular pace. They're not even talking. Not touching the mask either.

The mask there, is not to protect the patient from a virus that the Dr may have ..nor the patient can have a virus that could go into doctor's nose-mouth-eyes.

The mask is there because the surgeon will make an incision and will work on an open wound (if it's not lapr.) and this is important because once the patient has an open wound any particle (like saliva, bacteria ,germs) can enter and this can lead to an infection.
When we are walking around or sitting , children also, we're not with an open wound. Also, that mask in that sterile environment is there because of its statics and all those particles (the virus being the smallest can enter throught the mask) but they will all "stick"on the outer side of the mask.

Once the patient's wound is taken care of the patient is taken to their room.

The surgeon and the nurses will visit the patient , without wearing masks. No matter if the op was open heart surgery that lasted 8hours or 1h oper.

Conclusion: not only masks are useless ,they're not serving their purpose in fact we have even new illnesses due to the wearing masks. (skin inflamations, acne, sore throat) ..
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Please do some research.

Why Doctors Wear Masks
Yale Medicine doctors discuss the medical reasons behind mask-wearing.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/wh...ors-wear-masks

"We recently spoke to several Yale Medicine doctors about the medical reasons why they wear masks. They are protective on several levels, explains Manisha Juthani, MD, an infectious disease specialist. “It is really important for me to wear a mask when I'm taking care of patients who have a respiratory virus that I could be at risk of getting and then potentially giving to somebody else.” In fact, the only way she can treat patients with different infectious diseases is by wearing a medical-grade mask so she does not spread any disease or get sick herself.

David Mulligan, MD, chief of transplant surgery and immunology, knows the importance of masks even beyond the operating room. “When we make rounds, for example, on significantly immuno-compromised patients, we will have a mask on to try to help protect those patients from the spread of disease and to try to protect other patients from bringing potential pathogens like bacteria and viruses from one room to the next,” he says.

Hear their explanations on why mask-wearing is important for doctors in this video... [see link]"
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Hello Pancakes, but we said , no data after February 2020.

This is pure propaganda material... insane and this is why you never heard of it (just like any doctor) prior to 2020.
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Hello Pancakes, but we said , no data after February 2020.

This is pure propaganda material... insane and this is why you never heard of it (just like any doctor) prior to 2020.
Clearly, your instinct is to dismiss anything that contradicts your cognitive biases. I therefore think it's pointless for us to engage in this conversation any further.
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Well no. You cant use one article published in sep 2020 because everyone is obliged to say whatever has been ordered to be said.

Even in what they say, some elements should ring a bell in your head.. (i'll quote some you did in red)

"who have a respiratory virus that I could be at risk of getting " - Who has a respiratory virus in a classroom of 10y old children ?

or where you work ... or even in a shop ? you know what means resp.virus? that means you're ill. Having a fever, bodyache, you cant move .. you cant move much even havning teh common cold let alone a serious viral infenction.

"we make rounds, for example, on significantly immuno-compromised patients,

Yes, they visit very ill patients.. most even on some palliative care. And they're going from a room to room in contact with people who are ill (viral issues).. But, those doctors when they go to the shop are they wearing the mask? just in case they dont catch a virus , deadly one, and then not fall ill at all but just carry it and then the next day at work- hospital they give it to someone with cancer and the pereson dies.?

I'm giving you some hints here how you should approach with care everything you read. And I dont have cognitive bias. I want to be proven wrong. I'm serious.
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Well no. You cant use one article published in sep 2020 because everyone is obliged to say whatever has been ordered to be said.

Even in what they say, some elements should ring a bell in your head.. (i'll quote some you did in red)

"who have a respiratory virus that I could be at risk of getting " - Who has a respiratory virus in a classroom of 10y old children ?

or where you work ... or even in a shop ? you know what means resp.virus? that means you're ill. Having a fever, bodyache, you cant move .. you cant move much even havning teh common cold let alone a serious viral infenction.

"we make rounds, for example, on significantly immuno-compromised patients,

Yes, they visit very ill patients.. most even on some palliative care. And they're going from a room to room in contact with people who are ill (viral issues).. But, those doctors when they go to the shop are they wearing the mask? just in case they dont catch a virus , deadly one, and then not fall ill at all but just carry it and then the next day at work- hospital they give it to someone with cancer and the pereson dies.?

I'm giving you some hints here how you should approach with care everything you read. And I dont have cognitive bias. I want to be proven wrong. I'm serious.
Whatever has been ordered to be said??? You're making bold assumptions to suit your cognitive bias rather than addressing and acknowledging what was actually said. In essence, completely distorting the narrative.

Again, I'm sorry, but I think it's pointless for us to have this conversation.
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