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Old 31.07.2021, 21:10
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True, however if you have been vaccinated you can fly on planes throughout the EU without ever needing to get a test, so the assumption must be that either you won't get it or the risk of passing it on is low if you do.
I've actually felt all along that even fully vaccinated people should be required to have a test before flying. Even back when it was believed or suspected that the fully vaccinated can't transmit the virus as easily, it still makes sense to require testing, especially with more asymptomatic people going about and not realizing that they have the virus and using less caution (e.g. not wearing masks, etc.).
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Old 31.07.2021, 21:21
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General rule - if your body can generate natural immunity following infection a vaccine is likely to be successful. If it can't, it isn't.
Stupid question maybe, but what is it about HIV that prevents immunity, natural or through vaccine?

And what would happen if there were some sort of cross mutation that combines HIV's deadliness with Covid's transmission mechanism?

We would be pretty much screwed then, I guess.
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Old 31.07.2021, 21:22
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True, however if you have been vaccinated you can fly on planes throughout the EU without ever needing to get a test, so the assumption must be that either you won't get it or the risk of passing it on is low if you do.
Or maybe the powers that be are so fixated on the secondary goal of getting everybody vaccinated that they have lost sight of the primary goal of preventing transmission.
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Old 31.07.2021, 21:39
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General rule - if your body can generate natural immunity following infection a vaccine is likely to be successful. If it can't, it isn't.
Biontech announced plans this week to develop an mRNA vaccine against malaria. They have yet to identify the protein(s) the immune system is to be trained against and use as a target. Clinical trials are expected to begin by the end of next year.

Trials on a mRNA vaccine (developed together with the Gates foundation) against tuberculosis are planned to begin by the end of next year.

Work on a vaccine against HIV is in progress. But the fact that HIV attacks and eventually destroys the immune system (which then allows other pathogens to infect and grow, which eventually kills the patient) can't make it easy.

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Old 31.07.2021, 21:42
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I did not know people were taking a vaccine to protect against Aids & HIV!
I didn't either. Amogles claimed they do. From what I googled after that, they're still trying to find a vaccine.

What I meant was you can be HIV positive and pass it on while not suffering from aids.
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Old 31.07.2021, 22:30
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Preprint of small study on breakthrough infections. If confirmed, breakthrough cases will be mild and short. So even if you get it infected because "the vaccine is a lot worse that what has been promised", the vaccine will save you from trouble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261295v1

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Old 31.07.2021, 22:50
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The problem with those claims is that they're probably all simplifications by the media or someone else with an agenda.
The problem is though that Joe Public believes the simplifications and even confuses them with real science.

I think the point of the joke that FMF posted was to mock these simplifications. It combines two such simplifications that many people would believe when presented individually, but when presented together, combine to make a statement that is obvious BS.
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Old 31.07.2021, 22:53
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I didn't either. Amogles claimed they do. From what I googled after that, they're still trying to find a vaccine.
I made no such statement.

On the contrary, I said that HIV is a bad example because it does not apply.

Actually you were the one to say HIV and AIDS are an example doing what the meme claims that only Corona does. Which is incorrect.
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Old 31.07.2021, 22:56
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Preprint of small study on breakthrough infections. If confirmed, breakthrough cases will be mild and short. So even if you get it infected because "the vaccine is a lot worse that what has been promised", the vaccine will save you from trouble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261295v1

Would you kindly explain what these graphs tell us?
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Old 31.07.2021, 23:02
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I made no such statement.

On the contrary, I said that HIV is a bad example because it does not apply.

Actually you were the one to say HIV and AIDS are an example doing what the meme claims that only Corona does. Which is incorrect.
That's correct, I misread that (and was very confused which was why I went and checked on the net. Could have saved that time by reading properly. )
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Would you kindly explain what these graphs tell us?
I was puzzled also.
I can see the chart has longer illness days for unvaccinated but lines make zero sense. No idea what surrogate virus neutralisation inhibition is.

Link is a paper that is not validated or peer reviewed.
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Old 01.08.2021, 00:57
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I was puzzled also.
I can see the chart has longer illness days for unvaccinated but lines make zero sense. No idea what surrogate virus neutralisation inhibition is.

Link is a paper that is not validated or peer reviewed.
The two graphs have exactly the same axes and labels but different contents.

I think an explanation is necessary to aid in understanding.
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I was shopping in Germany this week and three shopkeepers told me they plan to permanently close their shops at the end of September.

The reason they gave is they foresee another major lockdown and they do nit have the financial reserves to survive that.

Difficult times, I hope they are wrong.
still counting cases? ok, ok
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Old 01.08.2021, 10:38
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True, however if you have been vaccinated you can fly on planes throughout the EU without ever needing to get a test, so the assumption must be that either you won't get it or the risk of passing it on is low if you do.
And as the air filters (high quality HEPA filters) and the circulation system (from centre to sides) and frequency (air completely changed 24 times an hour) your exposure is limited to the people in the same half-row, and the rows immediately in front and behind you. Having vaccinated people in those rows reduces you risk even further.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:16
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Hello vegans , cheers


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsl...WwVU5tAmbVDRok
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Well, so what if they have to be tested daily to access certain properties.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:29
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what if.... What if some people ask themselves the question "are they mocking us?" "until when" "how much is enough" ? )

Next step will be how we go into the PCR and how we understand once and for all how it can not "detect" the virus hence 'contamination' . (cant believe they even dare use this terminology but I have to live with it)
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:46
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And as the air filters (high quality HEPA filters) and the circulation system (from centre to sides) and frequency (air completely changed 24 times an hour) your exposure is limited to the people in the same half-row, and the rows immediately in front and behind you. Having vaccinated people in those rows reduces you risk even further.
Don't forget that you need to travel to and from the airport, and that you spend quite some time in an airport. All closed spaces and often pretty crowded.
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Old 01.08.2021, 13:32
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Don't forget that you need to travel to and from the airport, and that you spend quite some time in an airport. All closed spaces and often pretty crowded.
The issue is now check in where they will not let you print a boarding card & have to queue for 45 minutes to 1.5 hours with a huge crowd going on different flights.
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The issue is now check in where they will not let you print a boarding card & have to queue for 45 minutes to 1.5 hours with a huge crowd going on different flights.
My husband flew ZRH-AMS Thursday, back last night on Swiss. To AMS, he got a boarding card no problem. To ZRH, no boarding card, had to queue. His flight was delayed by about 20 minutes, which wasn’t bad.
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