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True, however if you have been vaccinated you can fly on planes throughout the EU without ever needing to get a test, so the assumption must be that either you won't get it or the risk of passing it on is low if you do.
I've actually felt all along that even fully vaccinated people should be required to have a test before flying. Even back when it was believed or suspected that the fully vaccinated can't transmit the virus as easily, it still makes sense to require testing, especially with more asymptomatic people going about and not realizing that they have the virus and using less caution (e.g. not wearing masks, etc.).
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General rule - if your body can generate natural immunity following infection a vaccine is likely to be successful. If it can't, it isn't.
Stupid question maybe, but what is it about HIV that prevents immunity, natural or through vaccine?

And what would happen if there were some sort of cross mutation that combines HIV's deadliness with Covid's transmission mechanism?

We would be pretty much screwed then, I guess.
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True, however if you have been vaccinated you can fly on planes throughout the EU without ever needing to get a test, so the assumption must be that either you won't get it or the risk of passing it on is low if you do.
Or maybe the powers that be are so fixated on the secondary goal of getting everybody vaccinated that they have lost sight of the primary goal of preventing transmission.
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General rule - if your body can generate natural immunity following infection a vaccine is likely to be successful. If it can't, it isn't.
Biontech announced plans this week to develop an mRNA vaccine against malaria. They have yet to identify the protein(s) the immune system is to be trained against and use as a target. Clinical trials are expected to begin by the end of next year.

Trials on a mRNA vaccine (developed together with the Gates foundation) against tuberculosis are planned to begin by the end of next year.

Work on a vaccine against HIV is in progress. But the fact that HIV attacks and eventually destroys the immune system (which then allows other pathogens to infect and grow, which eventually kills the patient) can't make it easy.

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I did not know people were taking a vaccine to protect against Aids & HIV!
I didn't either. Amogles claimed they do. From what I googled after that, they're still trying to find a vaccine.

What I meant was you can be HIV positive and pass it on while not suffering from aids.
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Preprint of small study on breakthrough infections. If confirmed, breakthrough cases will be mild and short. So even if you get it infected because "the vaccine is a lot worse that what has been promised", the vaccine will save you from trouble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261295v1

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The problem with those claims is that they're probably all simplifications by the media or someone else with an agenda.
The problem is though that Joe Public believes the simplifications and even confuses them with real science.

I think the point of the joke that FMF posted was to mock these simplifications. It combines two such simplifications that many people would believe when presented individually, but when presented together, combine to make a statement that is obvious BS.
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I didn't either. Amogles claimed they do. From what I googled after that, they're still trying to find a vaccine.
I made no such statement.

On the contrary, I said that HIV is a bad example because it does not apply.

Actually you were the one to say HIV and AIDS are an example doing what the meme claims that only Corona does. Which is incorrect.
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Preprint of small study on breakthrough infections. If confirmed, breakthrough cases will be mild and short. So even if you get it infected because "the vaccine is a lot worse that what has been promised", the vaccine will save you from trouble.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261295v1

Would you kindly explain what these graphs tell us?
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I made no such statement.

On the contrary, I said that HIV is a bad example because it does not apply.

Actually you were the one to say HIV and AIDS are an example doing what the meme claims that only Corona does. Which is incorrect.
That's correct, I misread that (and was very confused which was why I went and checked on the net. Could have saved that time by reading properly. )
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Would you kindly explain what these graphs tell us?
I was puzzled also.
I can see the chart has longer illness days for unvaccinated but lines make zero sense. No idea what surrogate virus neutralisation inhibition is.

Link is a paper that is not validated or peer reviewed.
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I was puzzled also.
I can see the chart has longer illness days for unvaccinated but lines make zero sense. No idea what surrogate virus neutralisation inhibition is.

Link is a paper that is not validated or peer reviewed.
The two graphs have exactly the same axes and labels but different contents.

I think an explanation is necessary to aid in understanding.
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