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If you check the total number / 1 mio inhabitants, it can be seen, that Switzerland is in a worse situation than Italy. What the f***k is happening here?
I don't know where you are getting your figures, I'm pulling from here https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This is the confirmed cases per million. I'll add that different counting methodology makes this only semi accurate.

Italy 250
S. Korea 155.6
Norway 151.8
Denmark 135.5
Iran 120
Bahrain 115.8
Switzerland 100.3
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I think this is the situation which people are not mentally prepared for. The idea that care might simply not be available.

I'm as concerned about the social impacts and systemic failures as I am of the virus.
Care not available is the most common outcome of hurricanes/typhoons, earthquakes and wars.

I know some people for the Red Cross who provide assistance in disaster zones around the world. I'd like to have a drink with them to know their perspective.
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If you check the total number / 1 mio inhabitants, it can be seen, that Switzerland is in a worse situation than Italy. What the f***k is happening here?
Italy around 2,5x as much confirmed cases as Switzerland when compared to size of population.

What numbers are you looking at?
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Care not available is the most common outcome of hurricanes/typhoons, earthquakes and wars.

I know some people for the Red Cross who provide assistance in disaster zones around the world. I'd like to have a drink with them to know their perspective.
We know that care is unavailable thanks to a big storm, earthquakes and all such. But we also know that in those cases many people will rush in to provide help and care or transport those in need to places where there is care.

Reality here will be that nobody is coming to the rescue since every country is having the exact same problem. It this would only be an Italian problem we'd be offering help and the situation would be better, unfortunately for Italy we're in need of al our beds and employees.
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As a special treat for some here who think they know more, are smarter and more experienced in analysis of NEW things, ideas and solutions, here is some more "anecdotal evidence"


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Sample size one, unproven methodology, uncontrolled testing environment. Shall be disregarded by myself.
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Re: Coronavirus

Tessin will have all schools closed from Monday, with a daycare system at the schools for parents with no solution of their own.

A group of scientists is calling on the Federal Council to enact much stronger measures and move to stage 3 of the epidemic plan, before it's too late. Can't agree more, we've clearly got clusters all over the place (thanks for the lack of transparency on which towns are affected...). We could be Northern Italy in less than 10 days, we're just lucky the deaths are piling up yet. Pierre Dessemontet, a geographer and socialist MP, reckons we're at 10 000 infections based on extrapolating from the rate of virus infection progression, since many people aren't announcing themselves as ill because they don't realize they have it

WHO warned over two weeks ago to stock up on respirators, I wonder what happened there... All manufactured in China? They're telling all countries to do more now, to avoid inaction.

Denmark just passed legislation to ban gatherings of more than 100 people, forcing people who refuse, to follow treatment, and gives their PM the right to ban access to public institutions, supermarkets and shops, nursing homes hospitals and clinics, and to restrict the use of public transport. Valid till 1st of March 2021. They're recognizing they're in it for the medium term, let's hope things like this get enacted all over Europe, it's getting late in the day.
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Sample size one, unproven methodology, uncontrolled testing environment. Shall be disregarded by myself.
Sample size two! Be fair, old bean . With a highly-technical individual like that speaking on a technical forum, that's all one needs.
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Eh? 250* in Italy, 100* in CH. Both as of yesterday. CH needs another week or so to catch up.

*Tested and confirmed cases, only... just to make my point again. I'm not sure of the availability of tests in Italy now, but I do know with certainty that patients with all the "right" symptoms aren't getting tested. At least not in my part of the world.
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Old 13.03.2020, 10:56
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Tessin will have all OBLIGATORY schools closed from Monday, with a daycare system at the schools for parents with no solution of their own.
FTFY.

"Il Cantone chiude tutte le scuole dell'obbligo"

https://www.tio.ch/ticino/attualita/...obbligo-lunedi

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Re: Coronavirus

Meanwhile in the UK, that powers that be are sitting on their thumbs in time-honoured tradition.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a9396511.html
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*Tested and confirmed cases, only... just to make my point again. I'm not sure of the availability of tests in Italy now, but I do know with certainty that patients with all the "right" symptoms aren't getting tested. At least not in my part of the world.
Yep, Italy is only doing much more testing, since they don't have a choice due to all the people with severe symptoms showing up everywhere.

I tend to think Italy and Switzerland have about the same criteria for testing and more and more countries start to do it like this, and I can see why they do it.
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We know that care is unavailable thanks to a big storm, earthquakes and all such. But we also know that in those cases many people will rush in to provide help and care or transport those in need to places where there is care.
Did this rush to provide help idea was applied to the people kept on quarantine aboard cruise ships even when a lot of material and human resources on land were available to help them? Mismanagement happens.


It's not the end of the world. Maybe just take the whole thing at the level of an earthquake.
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Re: Coronavirus

Vaud's cantonal government will give a press conference at 14h30 with all ministers present as well as the cantonal chief doctor. School closures likely, possibly more bans on various social gatherings?
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Berset wants schools to close - just came from the Bundesrat...

Final decision coming later but it's very unlikely they will go against him
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I thought that was the British system? According to a link Castro provided.

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Clog the sewage system - perfect timing.
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Re: Coronavirus

I just went to Migros' online store (leshop.ch) to see if they were out of toilet paper yet (they were running quite low a few days ago), and the site is so busy that it wouldn't even let me in. It put me in a queue and is telling me I have to wait 17 minutes to get in.

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Good for you. The sos news we are getting in CZ is from the Czech medical staff employed in Northern Italy. They signalled that there is triage, 2 days ago. NYT quotes a mayor from Northern Italy complaining of some patients no longer being given treatment.
Why are you writing so snottily about this?
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I just went to Migros' online store (leshop.ch) to see if they were out of toilet paper yet (they were running quite low a few days ago), and the site is so busy that it wouldn't even let me in. It put me in a queue and is telling me I have to wait 17 minutes to get in.

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I read the link and it says:

"There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air."

How is that not having to choose?

WHO says that, a part from the article?


They do have a tough situation, till now they are coping, with a huge effort. Looking at how China reacted from the beginning of course would have lead to a different situation, now is too late and they have to do what they can.



Having to choose, till now, means chose the one who need to be treated immediately here and now and send to another ospital who is in a less difficult situation the others. Triage means that, now, in italian intensive care units.
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I just went to Migros' online store (leshop.ch) to see if they were out of toilet paper yet (they were running quite low a few days ago), and the site is so busy that it wouldn't even let me in. It put me in a queue and is telling me I have to wait 17 minutes to get in.

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I've just been through town, and supermarkets appear busier than normal. If you have the option just go to your local one before the after work shopping hoard starts visiting the stores. If there are a bunch of new measurements revealed soon it will only get worse.
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