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Old 13.08.2021, 13:12
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I am considering getting vaccinated but to be honest all of these threats/coercion attempts just make it even more off-putting.
It‘s not about you…
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Old 13.08.2021, 13:18
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Ahh, an other situation to use "it's not you, it's me"
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Old 13.08.2021, 13:19
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Did your mum tell you that if you didn't brush your teeth you wouldn't be able to travel or go into any cool clubs, or wouldn't be able to work in a hospital or a number of other places besides? And that it would be your fault if other people's teeth fell out and millions of people died?

Sounds like a traumatic youth.
I just arrived at the beach and put on lots of suncream as the UV index is very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get a sunburn
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Old 13.08.2021, 13:25
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I just arrived at the beach and put on lots of suncream as the UV index is very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get a sunburn
I got vaccinated as the chances of getting infected by the Coronavirus and passing it on are very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get it.

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Todays published numbers 2097 out of 22 k tests

42 hospitalisations
2 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week friday 1162 out of 20 k tests

36 hospitalisations
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Old 13.08.2021, 13:52
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I got vaccinated as the chances of getting infected by the Coronavirus and passing it on are very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get it.
Is there not enough evidence now for you to accept the this second part is no longer accurate?

The only reason now to get vaccinated is to provide more protection against Covid for oneself. I don't believe the protection the vaccines provide against transmission (and remember there is quite some disparity between the differing manufacturers) means this can be used as a reason to chasten people into getting vaccinated. It's a personal choice now more than ever.
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Old 13.08.2021, 13:58
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Is there not enough evidence now for you to accept the this second part is no longer accurate?

The only reason now to get vaccinated is to provide more protection against Covid for oneself. I don't believe the protection the vaccines provide against transmission (and remember there is quite some disparity between the differing manufacturers) means this can be used as a reason to chasten people into getting vaccinated. It's a personal choice now more than ever.
Research still concludes that transmission of the virus is far more difficult among vaccinated persons and the severity of the virus, if vaccinated, is less serious.
https://www.mahoningmatters.com/loca...o-know-4191980

“People should be reassured that if they are fully vaccinated that they are very likely, highly likely, to be protected against severe or critical illness, the kind of illness that would cause them to be hospitalized or killed by this virus,” Dr. Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told The Washington Post. “Vaccines save your life.”
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Is there not enough evidence now for you to accept the this second part is no longer accurate?

The only reason now to get vaccinated is to provide more protection against Covid for oneself. I don't believe the protection the vaccines provide against transmission (and remember there is quite some disparity between the differing manufacturers) means this can be used as a reason to chasten people into getting vaccinated. It's a personal choice now more than ever.
I've lost count of the number of actual studies posted in reply to your posts in this very thread showing it definitely DOES in some percentage reduce transmission depending on the specific vaccine, but you still keep banging on that same old crap.
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Old 13.08.2021, 14:38
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I've lost count of the number of actual studies posted in reply to your posts in this very thread showing it definitely DOES in some percentage reduce transmission depending on the specific vaccine, but you still keep banging on that same old crap.
Yes, but if it’s only 20% effective at preventing transmission then thats hardly enough to expect or demand everyone to be vaccinated!
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Old 13.08.2021, 14:39
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Yes, but if it’s only 20% effective at preventing transmission then thats hardly enough to expect or demand everyone to be vaccinated!
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Old 13.08.2021, 14:45
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I got vaccinated as the chances of getting infected by the Coronavirus and passing it on are very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get it.
Too bad that won't work either and even the day-one-pro-vaxxers know it.

Went shopping today. There was an about 10 year old boy, without mask but extremely anxious about the two-meter rule (it's 2 m still in his world). He was so uptight about it that the cashier had to call him to finally move up to her so he could pay. Not seen it to this extent even at the beginning of the whole thing.

Don't know why a mother sends those kids out to go shopping alone but don't give them a mask. Poor kid will not survive shops and busses and it will not be covid that kills him.
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Old 13.08.2021, 15:37
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I got vaccinated as the chances of getting infected by the Coronavirus and passing it on are very high. Please do the same so neither of us will get it.
I don't get this opsession about the well being of others.

Do you do the same with people who smoke or are obese for example?

Vaccine should be a personal choice
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Old 13.08.2021, 15:45
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Too bad that won't work either and even the day-one-pro-vaxxers know it.

Went shopping today. There was an about 10 year old boy, without mask but extremely anxious about the two-meter rule (it's 2 m still in his world). He was so uptight about it that the cashier had to call him to finally move up to her so he could pay. Not seen it to this extent even at the beginning of the whole thing.

Don't know why a mother sends those kids out to go shopping alone but don't give them a mask. Poor kid will not survive shops and busses and it will not be covid that kills him.
Maybe it was not his mom needing something in the store, 10yr old kids are pretty autonomous.

Yes, the whole year and a half took a giant toll on kids and their mental health. I don't find it amusing, maybe he lost somebody close, lives with somebody at risk, has a single parent who he worries about, he himself is asthmatic, you name it...ton of reasons. He cannot vax so allowing him the 2m he wants is the smallest courtesy he deserves. It is not all about the elderly.

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Old 13.08.2021, 16:02
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This thread is essentially a lot of each side thinking they can convince the other, which will only happen when hell freezes over
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Old 13.08.2021, 16:06
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I don't get this opsession about the well being of others.

Do you do the same with people who smoke or are obese for example?

Vaccine should be a personal choice
We get that.

However smoking is a lifestyle choice and to some extent, so are some causes of obesity.

Getting COVID isn't.

Being vaccinated means your chance of getting it is reduced and your chance of passing it on is reduced - especially as the symptoms are greatly reduced.

Lots of people are unable to take the vaccine. By getting vaccinated, you are protecting others.

You may chose not to help others in anyway (you have called 'helping others' and obsession).
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Old 13.08.2021, 16:15
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This thread is essentially a lot of each side thinking they can convince the other, which will only happen when hell freezes over
This is projection.

I honestly don't care what other people think. They are welcome to their views and are welcome to stick whatever they want into their own bodies. Their pleasure is their liberty.

I challenge their views purely out of interest and because I'm trying to work out why they think that way.

The push to convince at all costs is clearly coming from the pro-vaxx side, both on this forum and the world at large. Especially when it comes to scare tactics and calls for firing people from their jobs etc.
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This thread is essentially a lot of each side thinking they can convince the other, which will only happen when hell freezes over
It depends what do you mean by "convince". As far as I recall one side has quite strong arguments: put him in jail, ban him, fire him.
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We get that.

However smoking is a lifestyle choice and to some extent, so are some causes of obesity.

Getting COVID isn't.

Being vaccinated means your chance of getting it is reduced and your chance of passing it on is reduced - especially as the symptoms are greatly reduced.

Lots of people are unable to take the vaccine. By getting vaccinated, you are protecting others.

You may chose not to help others in anyway (you have called 'helping others' and obsession).
It kind of is though as vaccines aren't that effective at preventing infection. I got vaccinated because there is pretty much no downside, and the protection against serious illness looks good.

I don't want to social distance or wear a mask against a disease with this level of danger to myself. I don't really care if I get it or not.

I don't think there should be any obligation for me to do so for the sake of others given the vaccine situation, the incredibly low level of risk to vaccinated people and the fact this disease is clearly going to be endemic.

We are socially distancing now purely down to Stockholm syndrome. Nothing else. The risk of hospitals being overloaded is zero.

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However smoking is a lifestyle choice
Elsewhere on this forum you were singing a different tune about smokers?
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Is there not enough evidence now for you to accept the this second part is no longer accurate?

The only reason now to get vaccinated is to provide more protection against Covid for oneself. I don't believe the protection the vaccines provide against transmission (and remember there is quite some disparity between the differing manufacturers) means this can be used as a reason to chasten people into getting vaccinated. It's a personal choice now more than ever.
Most cogent post on this 1500 page thread. Fully agree that elderly or at risk should take the vaccine as it is potentially saving their own lives.

For me the risks of ADRs vs risk of Covid is clear.

Vaccine is clearly preventing serious illness/fatalities in elderly etc.. Not in my demographic.

I’m not going to get the vaccine just to travel abroad.
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