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Old 25.08.2021, 22:54
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This ain't going to go down well here but I will say it anyway.
I started reading Virus Mania and the book makes sense to me (I have not finished it yet).
There is no virus.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2498755.Virus_Mania

Its a different scientific opinion which I am sure will be shunned by most if not everyone on the forum. (I expect a few groans- come on 'marton' make my day) But perhaps a few of you that may want to investigate further I challenge you to read up on Germ Theory vs Terrain (cell) theory.

Germ Theory - germs invade us and kill us. Literally we are sitting ducks. A microscopic organism comes along invades our body and kills us. (eg a virus)
Terrain or cell theory - there is a disturbance in the body which upsets the equilibrium and we get sick. The imbalance could be caused by pollutants, poisons, nutritional (vitamin or mineral) insufficiencies obesity etc.

No corona virus has been isolated.
Samuel Eckert offered 1.2million Euro for anyone that can prove the virus has been isolated. No one has collected the money.

There is no virus - this is why everyone has different symptoms? Everyone is suffering from different imbalances in their body.
I don't have all the answers (obviously), I totally agree its sound absurd but its such a fascinating topic. The more I read into it the more I am convinced by the doctors and scientists that are trying to bring this terrain theory to light. If you dig deep enough you will understand that they are all trying to help and educate people on how to stay healthy so we dont get sick. Its common sense no one wants to hear but what we should all be talking about. Dont eat processed food, eat more fruits and veges, exercise, get some sun, avoid pollutants and herbicides etc.....

If you care to take the time you could watch the latest video from one of the co-authors of the book "Virus Mania" (mentioned above) Dr Sam Bailey. Science vs Dogma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdxTuuMv4zQ
It is not possible to isolate a virus so using this argument then no viruses exist.
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I ask over and over again. What kind of long term effects can be expected from a piece of mRNA. Maybe it you who can finally answer that question. Every Biologist I asked just shrugged so far.
they shrugging because it can be everything in range from none up to sudden deaths for unknown reasons. and this is the risk factor
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I just pointed out the lie in your claim that six months is the longest time period we can look at.
I\m sorry...are you drunk?
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Old 25.08.2021, 22:57
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We start again with utterly stupid measures.

The staff working at restaurants can continue working unvaccined/no certificate but once their shift finishes they can not stay for a drink. In the restaurant that they just served for 4 hours.

It's science guys. You can not catch covid while you work, only when you eat out.
What else is to be expected though? This from the people who gave us "you should wear your mask to your table, but may take it off once you're there". Basically like being given a corner of the Swimming Pool to p**s in, and that's with the assumption masks work!

Notice restaurants will be expected check Covid Passes, but nothing about trains and busses. Again, like everything in this Pandemic, it makes zero sense.
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Old 25.08.2021, 23:06
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It is not possible to isolate a virus so using this argument then no viruses exist.
Exactly!!
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Old 25.08.2021, 23:14
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Its a different scientific opinion which I am sure will be shunned by most if not everyone on the forum.
There's no such thing as a scientific opinion. An opinion may be based on scientific facts (or not) but that doesn't make it scientific. And no, what you link is anything but scientific.

As for Eckert, that prize will never be paid out.
The German Bundesgericht ruled (the equivalent of the US supreme court) that the requirement of a single document as proof, rather than proof that consists of many different works, is a valid condition. This requirement is impossible to meet (these days) under scientific standards, thus it will never paid out.

Which just shows Eckert's true intents.
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Notice restaurants will be expected check Covid Passes, but nothing about trains and busses. Again, like everything in this Pandemic, it makes zero sense.
Because public transport is in the "protected" category where no covid certificates can be required under any circumstances. The categories were defined around June.
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Old 25.08.2021, 23:44
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Delta Airlines - when announcing the 200 USD health insurance hike for unvaccinated employees - refers to a strange virus variant called 1.167.2

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No additional hospital cases from among the 60+ ?? Their hospitalisation rate is roughly 4x that of the sub-60. Are you really that ignorant, or are you willfully blind? Or do you plan to throw them on the street?

With a double every 10-12 days, which is what we have since early Juli, you get something like 5-6-8 times that in a month's time, every month. Do the math (assuming you know how). And take into account that unvaccinated hospital cases typically stay hospitalised close to two weeks.

The admissions of today reflect the infections of a week or two ago.

Why do these basic facts have to be repeated over and over again?
Lets assume i know the maths.. Grade F for yours.. not even bothering to give a feasible guess. “double every 10 12 days you get something like 5-6-8
“???

Official Data from first 2 weeks August hospitalisations… all ages…

02.08.2021 to 08.08.2021
80+ 22
70-79 21
60-69 27
50-59 29
40-49 23
30-39 23
20-29 13
10-19 4
0-9 11


So over 60s has 70 hospitalised and under 60s 106. No 4x rate. You can wear the ignorant and willfully blind Dunce hat.

09.08.21 to 15.08.21
123 over 60s
229 under 60s

122 vaxxd in that number also.

Finally “And take into account that unvaccinated hospital cases typically stay hospitalised close to two weeks”.. utterly vague , nonsense, and not remotely relevant for any calculations.

You can repeat “basic”, but incorrect facts, as many times as you like. At least get an adult to check your workings.
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Sorry to confuse you with facts but it is now over a year since 20,000 volunteers were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine.

Now, your turn to confuse me with facts; name a single vaccine out of the very many in use that has shown long-term effects.

The smallpox vaccine has been around for over 300 years with no long term effects
There aren’t long term side effects as they are tested for 5-10 years before releasing.

1 in every 2500 people are reporting serious adverse reactions to vaccine.

Pfizer list of serious reports is 97 pages long. !!

This in scheme of things is a minute percentage but the possible side effects of the vaccine are not public. That raises flags for me.
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Old 26.08.2021, 00:49
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It is not possible to isolate a virus so using this argument then no viruses exist.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73162-5.pdf

Electron microscopy shows the virus attached to infected cells.
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So over 60s has 70 hospitalised and under 60s 106. No 4x rate. You can wear the ignorant and willfully blind Dunce hat.
How many un/vaccinated are <60 or 60+ ? How many hospitalisations from each of the 4 groups? That gives you the hospitalisation rate for each.

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Old 26.08.2021, 09:34
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Because with each new mutation the bigger share of population becomes vulnerable. With Delta more people from the category 30-59 years w/o chronic illness are hospitalized, than before.
So the solution is to vaccinate them against Delta with vaccines that are far less not as effective against that variant? And when that doesn't work, what then? When are people going to wake up and realise that none of this makes any sense?

It's clear now, that these vaccines are NOT going to shorten this pandemic. This is why I'm so vexed by this announcement yesterday. I took the vaccine in good faith believing that freedoms would be returned and that things would return to normal, but now we see that the opposite is happening. It's also obvious that freedom won't be returning anytime soon either, just look at the highly vaxxed countries, Israel has brought in Covid passes for everyone over 3 years of age, Scotland is talking about reintroducing lockdowns.

Coercion and bribery will also automatically make those who haven't had the vaccine even more suspicious, this will backfire. If this measure is introduced then it will be the final straw for me that makes me get up off my backside and join the 5g lunatics and magnetic tin foil hatters and actively protest
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Old 26.08.2021, 09:45
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So the solution is to vaccinate them against Delta with vaccines that are far less not as effective against that variant? And when that doesn't work, what then? When are people going to wake up and realise that none of this makes any sense?

It's clear now, that these vaccines are NOT going to shorten this pandemic. This is why I'm so vexed by this announcement yesterday. I took the vaccine in good faith believing that freedoms would be returned and that things would return to normal, but now we see that the opposite is happening. It's also obvious that freedom won't be returning anytime soon either, just look at the highly vaxxed countries, Israel has brought in Covid passes for everyone over 3 years of age, Scotland is talking about reintroducing lockdowns.

Coercion and bribery will also automatically make those who haven't had the vaccine even more suspicious, this will backfire. If this measure is introduced then it will be the final straw for me that makes me get up off my backside and join the 5g lunatics and magnetic tin foil hatters and actively protest
What essentially will happen next, in 6-9 or so months when most vaccinated from today will need a new jab I don't see half of the people going to get revaccinated. There is no clear benefit , yes get the jab bit still wear your mask, yes get the jab but you can still spread it, yes get the jab but you can still get sick.

It's all nonsense.
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Delta Airlines - when announcing the 200 USD health insurance hike for unvaccinated employees - refers to a strange virus variant called 1.167.2
It’s $200 a month!I’m guessing DL self-insures their employees and needs the surcharge to cover their extra costs.
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What essentially will happen next, in 6-9 or so months when most vaccinated from today will need a new jab I don't see half of the people going to get revaccinated. There is no clear benefit , yes get the jab bit still wear your mask, yes get the jab but you can still spread it, yes get the jab but you can still get sick.

It's all nonsense.
Like getting caught into some dodgy subscription service that's impossible to get out of. Follow the ScIEnCe they say, then prepare to start administering 3rd vaccinations on the basis of no data whatsoever. This is officially just winging it.

WHO says no conclusive data yet on need for COVID-19 booster shot

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ot-2021-08-25/
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Old 26.08.2021, 09:58
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What a lovely morning Lets get this day going

I wonder what goes on in the heads of those "yeah but those unvaccinated people better not approach us the vaccinated" "unvaccinated are a danger because they're healthy" "I'm scared of the unvaccinated the virus is just radiating out of their bodies"

When we have this news that just came in ) .. So , Pfizer, ModeRna have their so-called efficiency dropped from 91% to 66%

Now knowing how once you get the jab it takes couple of weeks to get the immune system going and the date of the 2nd jab approaching, the efficiency of the vax is dropping dropping and going down to 66% (these numbers are official but they're false since it's marketing it's never 90% to begin with ..)

Therefore, why do you feel so safe and protected ? That's the mystery... Do some people realise how this is just marketing as "use this creme and in 3days your skin will be so refreshed , you'll be straight away 25y younger...)

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1) Please post a link to the article. Titles can be misleading.

2) Israel studies show that Pfizer indeed has a much lower rate of protecting the vaccinated from the Delta variant. However, "However, the rate of serious cases in Israel is double for unvaccinated under-60s and nine times higher for unvaccinated over-60s, so vaccines remain highly protective against severe outcomes."

Taken from: https://theconversation.com/covid-ca...e-virus-166404
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It’s $200 a month!I’m guessing DL self-insures their employees and needs the surcharge to cover their extra costs.
Sure. I just thought it was funny that they make hard efforts not to call it the Delta variant, but go back to the old nomenclature.
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Therefore, why do you feel so safe and protected ? That's the mystery... Do some people realise how this is just marketing as "use this creme and in 3days your skin will be so refreshed , you'll be straight away 25y younger...)

any thoughts ?
You sound like Tucker Carlson. Dare I ask, did you also get vaccinated?
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