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Old 26.08.2021, 13:46
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Todays published numbers 2809 out of 26 k tests

59 hospitalisations
3 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week thursday 2788 out of 22 k tests

65 hospitalisations
1 death
As I posted recently we need to wait for hospitalisation figures, hopefully, this is the first sign of a trend, not an isolated incident.
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Old 26.08.2021, 13:49
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Britain is starting to pay the price for the lockdowns:
Well who could have ever predicted that?! Oh, we did!

The consequences of following a untested policy to control a virus with a >99.5% survival rate (which didn't really work anyway) will have consequences for many years to come. The cancer pandemic due to missed screening hasn't even gotten going yet.
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We (the people) should be united, not divided. If someone unvaccinated could not enter the cinema, restaurant of hockey arena, well.....screw them, I won't give them my money until every one can enter.
These business owners have already suffered so much. Don't make them part of the political game.
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Old 26.08.2021, 13:56
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These business owners have already suffered so much. Don't make them part of the political game.
Unfortunately, many people are only interested in themselves, not in the greater good.
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:00
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These business owners have already suffered so much. Don't make them part of the political game.
Apartheid was only ended largely thanks to boycotts. Yes, a lot of people suffered who had nothing to do with apartheid, and yes, I put vaccination passports on a par with apartheid.
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:10
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So how do you get a 33x increase (your chart)
That's neither what I say nor what the chart says.
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Haha.. Good try..

Anyway fotofoensic result show the anomalies. Blue line looks adjusted as does source url .

Also since May for 60+ years group there have only been 300 hospitalzed who have vaccine. (4200 to 4500)

Total for 60+yrs hospitalized is 530 (approx)

So how do you get a 33x increase (your chart) when actual numbers are 530 total (300 vax, 230 unvax).

Fake chart thats why. Could people at least use one data source and not grab any old fake twitter image and assume its fact.

Above data source…
https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/epid...c/hosp?rel=abs
Nothing I post in earnest is faked. Your pseudo-forensics doesn't change that.
This is the source, I've linked it a gazillion times by now. If you haven't caught that already you won't this time either. The fact that it's paywalled won't be much help I gather.

As for the rest, that's the mysteries of 6th-grade math. Feel free to scroll up if you need more detailed hints.
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:46
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These business owners have already suffered so much. Don't make them part of the political game.
They have been part of the political game since day one .
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:47
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Unfortunately, many people are only interested in themselves, not in the greater good.
The greater good is always best served by everybody taking care of themselves first . Ask Adam Smith
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:55
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Some news from the corona bizz world.

In about 2months time there's a new vaccine on the market , called Valneva.

Valneva is a French bio-tech company with plants in austria,sweden,scotland.. and has partnered with the american Dynavax Technologies (adjuvant maker)

Valneva has partnered with the UK governement and the uk gov " has secured supply of 60 million doses at a cost of €470 million with options over another 130 million doses between 2022 and 2025"

This vax is in a phase3 and is tested in the UK and NZ, and will be manufactured in Scotland.

The difference with this vax is, it's not mRNA, uses the old technique of deactivating the virus.. but they're not revealing much more on the technology used but they do use aluminum hydroxide as an adjuvant.

Question is, is this vax actually going to be a great one? one jab and that's all?
is it going to be less dangerous than the mRNA technology that's so unknown?


(We're not done yet with corona-flying-circus)
Isn’t that how the sinopharm vaccine works ?

Why are so many countries refusing to recognize it ?
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:56
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Too busy? scared? Bill Gates?
How about not afraid ?
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Old 26.08.2021, 14:58
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Isn’t that how the sinopharm vaccine works ?

Why are so many countries refusing to recognize it ?
I think it was a relatively low effectiveness.
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Old 26.08.2021, 15:04
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Disinformation is not a risk factor.
what is disinformation in this case?
your unproved claims that there is no long term effects?

and yes, disinformation IS a risk factor
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Time for a good look in the mirror, you do exactly that a few posts upthread.
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When was the last person banned over politely posting a divergent opinion?

Or maybe saying something ugly after having been bated and provoked for a very long time by people who did far uglier things, yet never saw any consequences.

Under the old moderators it was a regular thing.

Less than a month ago.




Get the vaccine. Get the passport. IMO, obvs.
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Old 26.08.2021, 15:17
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Less than a month ago.
What happened less than a month ago ?

How does it measure to the hordes of good contributors who the old mods chased away? With the tacit agreement of many of those who are trying to fault the new mods for far less ?

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Get the vaccine. Get the passport. IMO, obvs.
What’s so obvious about it ?
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That's neither what I say nor what the chart says.

Nothing I post in earnest is faked. Your pseudo-forensics doesn't change that.
This is the source, I've linked it a gazillion times by now. If you haven't caught that already you won't this time either. The fact that it's paywalled won't be much help I gather.

As for the rest, that's the mysteries of 6th-grade math. Feel free to scroll up if you need more detailed hints.
I take it back about the source and apologies. The photo was probably adjusted in size when saving / uploading. Sorry.

Your maths doesn't match data I posted before though posted though..Not sorry.

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Old 26.08.2021, 16:31
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We will have to take a look at the studies. I am not yet vaccinated and I would prefer the mRNA vaccine over the deactivated virus.
Me too!

Regardless of the studies, I remember back in 1955 when a lab sent out a batch of vaccines where the virus was not properly deactivated. They infected 40,000 people with polio.

Such an error is impossible with the mRNA vaccine.
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Old 26.08.2021, 16:36
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The greater good is always best served by everybody taking care of themselves first . Ask Adam Smith
I called him but it seems he is dead, pass the ouija board
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I take it back about the source and apologies. The photo was probably adjusted in size when saving / uploading. Sorry.

Your maths doesn't match data I posted before though posted though..Not sorry.

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Likewise

No adjustments by me, but of course the tool I use may do whatever. I'd guess it's the browser and forum software, unless you opened it separately.

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The only difference between math and maths is where they're used. Math is the preferred term in the United States and Canada. Maths is the preferred term in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and other English-speaking places.
The chart connects weekly data points, it seems futile to use multi-month-old data to check its accuracy in a situation that's as dynamic as this, the chart itself demonstrates why with its sharp rise of the unvaccinated curves. Even more so as the data from May and June would need to be adjusted for the massively lower share of Delta infections.

You need to consider the massively different population sizes of unvaccinated vs vaccinated when calculating the hospitalisation rates. Some 2.2mln are 60+, 3/4 are fully vaccinated thus it's 1650k vs 550k. Some 10% (see weekly data on the linked page, you proabably have a trial subscription by now) of the 60+ hospitalisations are unvaccinated. Both factors combined cause the massively different hospitalisation risk for the two groups.

As for my using roughly, about, etc:
I could be precise to any number of decimal digits but that would only increase the likelihood of the statement being false, and it would claim precision where there's none. IMO extrapolating with that kind of mathematical precision would only demonstrate a massive lack of understanding of the situation. For instance, whether the number of ICU patients takes 10 days to double or 12 results in an increase to 9.85 times or 6.47 times after a 31-day month like August. Make it 13 days and it's 5.79 times the start number after one month.
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Old 26.08.2021, 17:38
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Once again the boring daily moan about masks.

Somebody posted recently EF is getting more interesting but some still post the same old boring stuff day after day after day.....
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Old 26.08.2021, 17:47
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Apartheid was only ended largely thanks to boycotts. Yes, a lot of people suffered who had nothing to do with apartheid, and yes, I put vaccination passports on a par with apartheid.
You can chose whether to get vaccinated and get a corresponding certificate. It's a choice. It's your choice.

(It's been like this for years for other diseases in some countries - no certificate, non entry).

Are you suggesting that people choose their skin colour?

If not, what exactly is your anology?
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