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The UK will be operating a herd immunity plan. ...

...I say kudos to Britain for volunteering to act as the control group to the rest of the world. With a 1% death rate, that's still 400'000 dead. Let's see how the science pans out - shut down vs massive "chicken-pox" party.
Not going to happen now https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pread-11957350

I totally agree with your assessment r.e. 'chicken pox party'. That's exactly how I saw it too, but there's been a huge backlash from the medical community (thankfully), and sporting bodies took matters into their own hands. I fully expect the PM to adopt his usual approach of watching which way the crowd runs, then running ahead of them shouting "Follow me!". There are online communities popping up of people who are 'cocooned' at home (their term, not mine) because they're in the medically vulnerable category.
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:05
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It's not a diarrhoea virus
Not primarily, that's true. However, according to the WHO FAQs https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...:text=symptoms diarrhea is, indeed, one of the symptoms, at least for some.
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

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Why the fek is everybody buying toilet paper anyways? .... Maybe it's time we learned to wash our asses instead of rubbing it with paper, I mean if you got poop on your hand you would wash it, wouldn't you?
Yes, exactly. Or use a combination of cloth (re-usable, washable) and water. Better for one's hygiene, one's skin, one's comfort, better for one's purse, and most especially liberating. I just don't see any reason to maintain an entirely unnecessary dependence upon someone else's supplying me with paper. Every reason to be free.
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Not primarily, that's true. However, according to the WHO FAQs https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-de...:text=symptoms diarrhea is, indeed, one of the symptoms, at least for some.
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don’t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.


Yes, exactly. Or use a combination of cloth (re-usable, washable) and water. Better for one's hygiene, one's skin, one's comfort, better for one's purse, and most especially liberating. I just don't see any reason to maintain an entirely unnecessary dependence upon someone else's supplying me with paper. Every reason to be free.


"Or use a combination of cloth (re-usable, washable) and water."


What a disgusting thought!
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:12
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That surprises me, Omtatsat, that you - as a nurse - would find that disgusting. It's only human waste, and we all do it, and it's not such an effort to deal with it.
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That surprises me, Omtatsat, that you - as a nurse - would find that disgusting. It's only human waste, and we all do it, and it's not such an effort to deal with it.
washing out a cloth and reusing it.You rally think you can wash a cloth out thats full of shit and get it clean. You gonna have alot of shitty cloths hanging around. If the person has diarrhoe or just normally one uses water and a hand. Nothing more. Simple
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:29
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It's only human waste, and we all do it, and it's not such an effort to deal with it.
Human waste potentially carrying a pathogen, and you would consider using a cloth? Then run a washing machine on a boil wash every day to cleanse this cloth? And you'd choose that over removing the waste material from the premises altogether? Does not compute...
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:32
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Human waste potentially carrying a pathogen, and you would consider using a cloth? Then run a washing machine on a boil wash every day to cleanse this cloth? And you'd choose that over removing the waste material from the premises altogether? Does not compute...
Well, some parents who have kids that cannot use the disposable nappies still have to do that
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:37
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"Or use a combination of cloth (re-usable, washable) and water."


What a disgusting thought!
Not sure if disgusting but potentially contageous. It would have to be boiled to be sterilized and cooking one's poopy cloth probably also disperses contageous vapors. In the time of distress, I'd rather be cooking goulash.
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:50
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Re: Coronavirus

Of the many people who fear that they will run out of toilet-paper, some are worrying about the case of their being infected.

Many others, though, are stocking up on toilet-paper (and, sensibly, on a certain supply of basic foodstuffs and perhaps on vegetable seeds) because of the possibility that, even if they themselves remain healthy, the supply chain may stop, because of all the services that are being stopped, and we don't yet know for sure, but it may get worse.

In saying: change to cloth, I was not talking about the circumstance of being infected. For the event of infection, of course I, too, keep a certain supply of disposable toilet-paper.

For all other times, though, it is liberating not to be worrying about toilet-paper. Having stopped, I now no longer see the need for toilet-paper, which, after all, is a relatively modern invention, since people were excreting, and dealing with it, and washing themselves, long before toilet-paper started to be produced.

And even in 2020, millions of people worldwide don't use toilet-paper anyway, while so many in so-called first world countries continue to live under the entirely unnecessary yoke of believing that they need toilet-paper. We don't. And I enjoy the freedom.
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:52
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washing out a cloth and reusing it.You rally think you can wash a cloth out thats full of shit and get it clean. You gonna have alot of shitty cloths hanging around. If the person has diarrhoe or just normally one uses water and a hand. Nothing more. Simple
It wouldn't be my top option for someone sick. But remember that when WE were growing up, disposable diapers didn't exist. I couldn't have been THAT bad. I distinctly remember having to wash poo from my clothes getting stained while changing my kids. Must have happened several times. I don't remember it being much of an issue, especially if you wash it right away.
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Old 14.03.2020, 10:56
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Not going to happen now https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pread-11957350

I totally agree with your assessment r.e. 'chicken pox party'. That's exactly how I saw it too, but there's been a huge backlash from the medical community (thankfully), and sporting bodies took matters into their own hands. I fully expect the PM to adopt his usual approach of watching which way the crowd runs, then running ahead of them shouting "Follow me!". There are online communities popping up of people who are 'cocooned' at home (their term, not mine) because they're in the medically vulnerable category.
LOL, yeah, that is a very good way of putting it.

So how come their advice is only 7 days self isolation? Anything special about the British immune system we out here don't know?
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LOL, yeah, that is a very good way of putting it.

So how come their advice is only 7 days self isolation? Anything special about the British immune system we out here don't know?
I think it's because the incubation period is now understood to be around 5 days. I know some people in CH who've become infected. They're expected to self-isolate for ten days, as are anyone they've been in close contact with.
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LOL, yeah, that is a very good way of putting it.

So how come their advice is only 7 days self isolation? Anything special about the British immune system we out here don't know?
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Old 14.03.2020, 11:03
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May be, but the amount of TP some people buy would last them for months, even if they had 5 kids.....How many rolls a day does a regular family need?
Maybe they're hoping to sell it on the black market at some point. We'll end up seeing 12 packs o' toilet paper on ebay going for 300 bucks.

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Well, some parents who have kids that cannot use the disposable nappies still have to do that
That was my immediate thought as well. Disposable diapers didn't really exist prior to 1942, and still today, some people use cloth diapers (my mom did for me in the 70s). I'd still prefer to use regular toilet paper, though. But if I have to poop in my garden and wipe with a leaf, I will.
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Whilst everybody else goes to plunder Migros/Coop et al today..... I'll head for the garden center to buy soil, spring blooms to brighten the window boxes with COLOUR, some hardy veggie seedlings (resp. seeds) and fully expect the store to be empty..... of people that is....
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. If my local Landi this morning is anything to go by then lots of people have had the same idea.
It was absolutely heaving with people all buying gardening stuff.

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May be, but the amount of TP some people buy would last them for months, even if they had 5 kids.....How many rolls a day does a regular family need?
It does seem rather bizarre. I always buy the extra large packs and they last us a couple of months (family of three adults).
Having said that during the week we are mostly out during the day.

I would imagine people are preparing for potentially being in self isolation for a couple of weeks with everybody in the family using the loo at home during that whole time and think they’ll need extra in hand to cover that eventuality. One extra pack should be enough for anyone.

I wonder where everyone is storing all this stuff? Swiss apartments are not renowned for having copious amounts of storage space.
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That was my immediate thought as well. Disposable diapers didn't really exist prior to 1942, and still today, some people use cloth diapers (my mom did for me in the 70s). I'd still prefer to use regular toilet paper, though. But if I have to poop in my garden and wipe with a leaf, I will.
yep- my kids were born 73 and 75 - and no disposables for sure- Ye Olde square terry nappies and a bucket of Napisan - not fun but hey ho, this was what it was.

As for pooing in the woods and wiping with a leaf- that is how I grew up. Well not at home, but we spent huge amounts in the woods with my parents, foraging for wild stuff, walking, hiking ... and parents taught us which leaves to use and how. Also spent time in a Châlet without a WC- you went with the spade to the woods, made a whole ... covered up, Bob was ...If you live in town, then not so easy ...And I do remember visiting some friends in the 50s where the 'casy' was outside, with a wooden lid and cut up newspaper on a string- in fact, one of them had a double casy - 2 holes, 2 rings- great for having a chat- very 'Roman'.

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Old 14.03.2020, 11:24
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I wouldn’t be too sure about that. If my local Landi this morning is anything to go by then lots of people have had the same idea.
It was absolutely heaving with people all buying gardening stuff.



It does seem rather bizarre. I always buy the extra large packs and they last us a couple of months (family of three adults).
Having said that during the week we are mostly out during the day.

I would imagine people are preparing for potentially being in self isolation for a couple of weeks with everybody in the family using the loo at home during that whole time and think they’ll need extra in hand to cover that eventuality. One extra pack should be enough for anyone.

I wonder where everyone is storing all this stuff? Swiss apartments are not renowned for having copious amounts of storage space.
Migros is handing out flower seeds en masse for free now. So if Landi has been raided by the time I arrive, I'll be okay.

They store the stuff in their cellar compartment, I suspect. So the next news will be them breaking through the wooden separations.

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Maybe they're hoping to sell it on the black market at some point. We'll end up seeing 12 packs o' toilet paper on ebay going for 300 bucks. ..........
Well, as some people have a problem being home alone, I suggest this hobby.
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Dude, you've lost the plot. Let it ride. You are doing your cause an injustice by continuing to rail on about this.
I don't think Estiqaa has "lost the plot". They are simply, and understandably, getting frustrated about all the doubling down going on.

As I see it there is no injustice in telling the truth of a situation, without media sensationalist bias.



Re: the UK delay approach.... actually makes a lot of sense.
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Human waste potentially carrying a pathogen, and you would consider using a cloth? Then run a washing machine on a boil wash every day to cleanse this cloth? And you'd choose that over removing the waste material from the premises altogether? Does not compute...
Yes, that's what we do with our kids' cloth diapers, running a 90 wash every 2-3 days. No real difference in terms of exposure since we wash our hands after touching anything contaminated. Less plastic and chemicals are used, and our kids avoid intimate exposure to: sodium polyacrylate, polypropylene, polyethylene, chlorine dioxide and associated dioxins.
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Our region has created a FB group now so people can offer help in any way they can, childcare, shopping, picking up prescriptions, etc, etc. A wonderful aspect of this 'crisis' - on the one hand, people fighting for toilet paper and selfishly hoarding - but on the other hand, lots of amazing solidarity.

Love all the videos currently of people in Italy getting on their balcony to sing and play instruments with neighbours who are also confined. Wonderful.

Beeautiful sunny day today - so a reminder. Isolating does not mean staying indoors- the woods and countryside are opened- fresh air is an amazing cure for all- go walking, watch nature wake up, listen to the birds and watch the kites and buzzards soar.
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