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Old 14.03.2020, 11:41
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Whilst everybody else goes to plunder Migros/Coop et al today..... I'll head for the garden center to buy soil, spring blooms to brighten the window boxes with COLOUR, some hardy veggie seedlings (resp. seeds) and fully expect the store to be empty..... of people that is....
The Bau & Hobby was packed with people. Luckily, no empty shelves. I think lots of people are taking advantage of the nice weather.
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Old 14.03.2020, 11:58
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Do we know what is the "Official reason" for the small number of tests being done?
Not enough test kits?
Costs too much?
No point?
Too risky for testers?
Faking the numbers to the outside world?
What is being shared is simply that there are not enough tests and serves little purpose to screen everyone on a first come first serve basis. Makes sense as well to only test those who meet screening criteria

Overall, the goal has to be self isolation & taking appropriate cautions - I think in that regard we're all behind the curve

I know in several hospitals, as someone recently posted, the capacity in ICUs is limited and already reaching saturation. I feel for healthcare workers because they are on the front line, being asked to put themselves in an increasingly high risk situation for the greater good. But as they say, that's part of the job too - my wife is being asked to come in everyday. Strange times

Protocols are changing regularly to limit transmission and properly quarantine those at highest risk as we try to 'flatten the curve' so the social distancing is vital to reduce the burden on healthcare system

Hard to look ahead much less predict so best to take it one day at a time by being conservative & smart - be safe everyone
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Of the many people who fear that they will run out of toilet-paper, some are worrying about the case of their being infected.

Many others, though, are stocking up on toilet-paper (and, sensibly, on a certain supply of basic foodstuffs and perhaps on vegetable seeds) because of the possibility that, even if they themselves remain healthy, the supply chain may stop, because of all the services that are being stopped, and we don't yet know for sure, but it may get worse.

In saying: change to cloth, I was not talking about the circumstance of being infected. For the event of infection, of course I, too, keep a certain supply of disposable toilet-paper.

For all other times, though, it is liberating not to be worrying about toilet-paper. Having stopped, I now no longer see the need for toilet-paper, which, after all, is a relatively modern invention, since people were excreting, and dealing with it, and washing themselves, long before toilet-paper started to be produced.

And even in 2020, millions of people worldwide don't use toilet-paper anyway, while so many in so-called first world countries continue to live under the entirely unnecessary yoke of believing that they need toilet-paper. We don't. And I enjoy the freedom.
In elderly people homes they have two cloths of different colours-one for body and one for intim. They are washed separately at 95 degrees. But can you imagine in a private home that someone has to do a 95 degrees wash every day for a few dirty cloths. And many people share a washing maschine.

People are paranoid about their toilet paper!
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Re: Coronavirus

Here are the measures announced in Valais yesterday: https://www.vs.ch/web/coronavirus


and a summary in lenouvelliste : https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/dossier...0-avril-919292
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Our region has created a FB group now so people can offer help in any way they can, childcare, shopping, picking up prescriptions, etc, etc. A wonderful aspect of this 'crisis' - on the one hand, people fighting for toilet paper and selfishly hoarding - but on the other hand, lots of amazing solidarity.

Love all the videos currently of people in Italy getting on their balcony to sing and play instruments with neighbours who are also confined. Wonderful.

Beeautiful sunny day today - so a reminder. Isolating does not mean staying indoors- the woods and countryside are opened- fresh air is an amazing cure for all- go walking, watch nature wake up, listen to the birds and watch the kites and buzzards soar.
Yes. So whats the difference between have enough reserve in the house ( which they tell us to do ) and hoarding?
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food for thought

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/V...e_sky_999.html
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Old 14.03.2020, 12:43
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I don’t know about Swiss German parts, but in Lausanne panic shopping is pure madness.

I normally do my weekly shopping on Saturday morning, and both my local coop and Migros were a war zone today. Pasta aisles were empty, no toilet paper to be found, as well as most cleaning products. Canned goods were gone too, as well as yoghurts for some reason.

More problematic for me, I couldn’t get any delactosed milk anywhere, and there are three of us lactose intolerant in the family.
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I don’t know about Swiss German parts, but in Lausanne panic shopping is pure madness.

I normally do my weekly shopping on Saturday morning, and both my local coop and Migros were a war zone today. Pasta aisles were empty, no toilet paper to be found, as well as most cleaning products. Canned goods were gone too, as well as yoghurts for some reason.

More problematic for me, I couldn’t get any delactosed milk anywhere, and there are three of us lactose intolerant in the family.
Try one of those "foreign" stores in your neighbourhood. Huge difference in how busy stores are and what is left in stock. Last time I've been to migros hardly any pasta left and damn busy but the Turkish store 200mtrs away was very calm and had full shelfs.
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People are paranoid about their toilet paper!
Some, maybe. Some are paranoid about what their body excretes, which need not be so.
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The UK will be operating a herd immunity plan. The idea is to isolate the vulnerable to keep them safe, but allow the disease to spread in the healthy population. It's calculated that when 60% of the populate have had it, then herd immunity should drive down opportunities for spread such that the virus dies out.

The rest of the world is reducing opportunity for infection by shutting down (to an extent) their countries.

I say kudos to Britain for volunteering to act as the control group to the rest of the world. With a 1% death rate, that's still 400'000 dead. Let's see how the science pans out - shut down vs massive "chicken-pox" party.
So probably every country will ban flights/travelling etc with UK.

This approach is pre-vaccine era.
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Yes. So whats the difference between have enough reserve in the house ( which they tell us to do ) and hoarding?
Common sense, perhaps ?

Never go shopping at week-end as I am retired. Will go to HyperU and Aldi in France on Monday am- wil report on what I find (or not)...

A reminder that isolating does NOT mean staying indoors- go out to the woods, walk, sing, watch, listen, breathe, move ... and yes, those of us with gardens are lucky too.
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Old 14.03.2020, 13:15
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I don’t know about Swiss German parts, but in Lausanne panic shopping is pure madness.

I normally do my weekly shopping on Saturday morning, and both my local coop and Migros were a war zone today. Pasta aisles were empty, no toilet paper to be found, as well as most cleaning products. Canned goods were gone too, as well as yoghurts for some reason.
It was like that oop North, two weeks ago. By wednesday everything was available - though some shelves were slightly sparser than usual.

Once one person has panic bought, they won't need to go again for a while.
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The UK will be operating a herd immunity plan. The idea is to isolate the vulnerable to keep them safe, but allow the disease to spread in the healthy population. It's calculated that when 60% of the populate have had it, then herd immunity should drive down opportunities for spread such that the virus dies out.

Listening to some professor of something who said herd immunity happens at about 98%. We can argue the toss about that, however what he also said was that herd immunity only comes about with vaccination, not infection.
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Listening to some professor of something who said herd immunity happens at about 98%. We can argue the toss about that, however what he also said was that herd immunity only comes about with vaccination, not infection.
Yep, it is a big gamble since it is not even completely clear yet why people get ill again. Herd immunity only works if large majority of the population has enough anti-bodies, if it turns out that we simply don't do that in large enough masses than this disease simply knows no herd-immunity and all they did was get the whole population infected to reach maximum amount of shit.
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Meanwhile in Paris large protest from the Yellow Vests.



Given the circumstances with Corona I'd say make an exception this time and have the army clear the streets quickly, we can do without such shit during these days.
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Yep, it is a big gamble since it is not even completely clear yet why people get ill again. Herd immunity only works if large majority of the population has enough anti-bodies, if it turns out that we simply don't do that in large enough masses than this disease simply knows no herd-immunity and all they did was get the whole population infected to reach maximum amount of shit.
Yep, the BJ has medical advisors of the intellectual depth of Farage and Trump. Marvellous.
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Listening to some professor of something who said herd immunity happens at about 98%.
It all depends on the R0 value. Required coverage = 1-1/R0. Measles has an R0 of 20 therefore requires 95% coverage. 98% requirement implies an R0 of 50 - no disease has that.

Covid is estimated at R0 = 2.5 which means you need 60% of the population to be immune.
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It was like that oop North, two weeks ago. By wednesday everything was available - though some shelves were slightly sparser than usual.

Once one person has panic bought, they won't need to go again for a while.
I think here in VD the panic was that the cantonal and federal announcements had just been made at 14.30 and 15.30 ..

I finished skiing and headed to a big COOP at 17.00 and it was carnage, hardly and shopping carts, empty shelves everywhere, people in masks, a person wearing gardening gloves hood and sunglasses.. Even all of the normal soap was gone..

Life goes on, just with some changes..
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I normally do my weekly shopping on Saturday morning, and both my local coop and Migros were a war zone today. Pasta aisles were empty, no toilet paper to be found, as well as most cleaning products. Canned goods were gone too, as well as yoghurts for some reason.
Below the train station in Lausanne the Denner had been cleaned out of toilet paper and vegetables; the Aldi in the station was normally stocked; the Coop had been cleaned out of yogurt and pasta; the Migros had been cleaned out of vegetables and chicken. Of course I did not check all the aisles, I was just trying to do my Saturday shopping.

I guess people are trying to reduce the frequency they shop at, which is rational...
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Re: Coronavirus

That's been one of my fears as well... not being able to find lactose-free milk. I did stock up on some but it's really only enough to last a few days, currently. Maybe you can find it at a gas station that also has a little grocery store inside. I know that the Migrolino gas station near us sells lactose-free milk. Good luck.

(For some reason, EF wouldn't quote Mélusine's post, which I was replying to).
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