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Of course it does. Provided you've mastered 6th grade math.

In CH, 63.3% have had at least one shot, and 11.6% are children below 12. Without accounting for those grownups who can't be vaccinated for whatever reason due to lack of data, that leaves 25.1% of the population who are old enough to be vaccinated. This is the group causing the healthcare overload.

With 13% more vaccinated in Norway that leaves 12% in the same group of grownups, obviously that alone reduces the potential covid load on the healthcare system by more than half.

That doesn't even take the poorly educated Swiss foreigners (mostly from the Balkans) into account, they're the single biggest preventable cause for the overload in the current wave.
Simply amazing maths. But the following should be factored in
- Norway has only 62% the population of Switzerland.
- Norway has only 69% of hospital beds (per 100,000) compared to Switzerland
- Age demographic of hospitalized should be normalized with vaccination percentage. (approx 80% of over 60yr olds vaccinated but 30% of all hospitalizations are over 60yr olds).

- How many Balkans are single biggest cause for overload?
- How are the 25% group causing the overload if the Balkans are.
- If Covid patients take up only 3% ( todays figure) how is this causing an overload.

I note that the current trend has drifted from..
unvaxxed causing ICU blockage.
via..
unvaxxed spoiling pubs and restaurants.
to now…
unvaxxed are unintelligent and (Balkons) poorly uneducated.

What will be next …?
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Old 27.09.2021, 06:28
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unvaxxed causing ICU blockage
Was discussed sensibly, the topic moved on as lockdown for the unvaxxed was introduced.

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unvaxxed spoiling pubs and restaurants.
Well, they're not now, since lockdown for the unvaxxed has been introduced.

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What will be next …?
Well, the unvaxxed being unintelligent has been a theme since quite early on. I believe the joke circulating is that Covid-19 started as a pandemic and has now become an IQ test!

However I'd say the unvaxxed (except the ones who are perpetuating the conspiracy theories who either evil or deluded), are largely badly informed and victims of evil (possibly deluded) fearmongers. (Ironic as some of these accuse the vaxxed of being fearful and the governments and media being fearmongers).

I've no idea whether folk from the Balkans are a significant percentage of the unvaxxed. There were certainly some issues with people visiting the Balkans, contracting the virus and needing medical repatriation. https://lenews.ch/2021/09/08/switzer...d-19-patients/
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Targeting vaccines to the people who actually need it, what a concept!

Any questions?
Sure. Why are childhood vaccines - against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, TB, Diptheria etc. (I know some of these are no longer given), not targeted, but rather the attempt is to make them universally administered?.
Answer: because vaccines need to be universally administered among the non-vulnerable population to protect the vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated.

And when smallpox was eradicated, were the vaccines their targeted, or were whole populations vaccinated until regions were smallpox free?
Answer - the vaccine was not targeted.

Yes, there are some vaccines for specific diseases that are targeted, but that generally for diseases that really are highly unlikely affect the whole population. Anyone can contract covid-19 and be hospitalised and die.


These points have been made again and again since the vaccines were introduced, and yet people still keep repeating the lie that "only the vulnerable need vaccinating". Since the lies have been refuted repeatedly and yet people keep banging on about them, unintelligent seems appropriate - though I'd use really badly informed.
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Re: Coronavirus

Norway also has problems with lower vaccination rates among minority groups. I think most of the countries do.
Switzerland is not an exception.

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I believe that's the problem of Swiss authorities that they did not foresee that certain groups will have lower vaccination rates before holidays but will be travelling actively. The biggest mistake was not requiring tests/quarantine upon return. My friend didn't take her son to the UK because otherwise he would miss the first week of school (the quarantine requirement for the UK was dropped in the end but it was announced only shortly before the end of holidays). But people from other countries with high number of cases could have returned w/o any limitations.
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Answer: because vaccines need to be universally administered among the non-vulnerable population to protect the vulnerable who cannot be vaccinated.
There's additionally the small percentage of people who are vaccinated but not enough antibodies are produced so they are effectively unvaccinated (and vulnerable).
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There's additionally the small percentage of people who are vaccinated but not enough antibodies are produced so they are effectively unvaccinated (and vulnerable).
Exactly. That's what 90% effective (or whatever the figure is) means. And still the hard-of-thinking like to parrot regularly "Oh, the vaccine doesn't stop you getting it!".

Yeah, we know. It reduces the chances.
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Was discussed sensibly, the topic moved on as lockdown for the unvaxxed was introduced.

Well, they're not now, since lockdown for the unvaxxed has been introduced.

Well, the unvaxxed being unintelligent has been a theme since quite early on. I believe the joke circulating is that Covid-19 started as a pandemic and has now become an IQ test!

However I'd say the unvaxxed (except the ones who are perpetuating the conspiracy theories who either evil or deluded), are largely badly informed and victims of evil (possibly deluded) fearmongers. (Ironic as some of these accuse the vaxxed of being fearful and the governments and media being fearmongers).

I've no idea whether folk from the Balkans are a significant percentage of the unvaxxed. There were certainly some issues with people visiting the Balkans, contracting the virus and needing medical repatriation. https://lenews.ch/2021/09/08/switzer...d-19-patients/
I think Lockout is what you mean. There is no Lockdown for unvaxxed.

If unvaxxed are badly informed then who is to blame for this? If people look to social media for advice and “truths” then it is a sad world indeed.

The mainstream media have been catastrophic , misleading and totally biased.

I see the BBC are starting to reverse out of Covid19 headlines now.
They havn’t updated their Covid page since 16th September !!

Tabloids also nothing on front pages (well “Strictly” show bosses scared after 2 positive tests)
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It's not far off a lockdown for the unvaxxed. Unless they get tested.

Who is to blame? People who look to social media for info. People who propogate mistrust of the government, scientists and the vaccines. People who propogate conspiracy theories and fake news. Some MSM for over active reporting.
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It's not far off a lockdown for the unvaxxed. Unless they get tested.

Who is to blame? People who look to social media for info. People who propogate mistrust of the government, scientists and the vaccines. People who propogate conspiracy theories and fake news. Some MSM for over active reporting.
If people are basing a key decision on anything in life, using social media as a reference then, for me, it is a combination of untruths peddled to prey on the gullible and naivety or laziness of reader.

The Vaxxinated / Unvaxx debate it is complete debacle and , I suspect most people do not hold any of the extreme viewpoints .

P.S. It isn’t a lockdown ..
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If it makes you happy. Sure.
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Old 27.09.2021, 19:57
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If people are basing a key decision on anything in life, using social media as a reference then, for me, it is a combination of untruths peddled to prey on the gullible and naivety or laziness of reader.

The Vaxxinated / Unvaxx debate it is complete debacle and , I suspect most people do not hold any of the extreme viewpoints .

P.S. It isn’t a lockdown ..
Extreme viewpoints
No, it is simply binary - yes or no
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Extreme viewpoints
No, it is simply binary - yes or no
In extreme I mean for example…

Claims that magnetic chemicals in the vaccine.
Claims that Covid is a myth
Claims that masks do/dont make any difference

plus many other outlandish claims that if you believe then , as I said , the world is a shocking state.

A debate is not simply yes or no. It’s a discussion of viewpoints which certainly isn’t happening.
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Old 27.09.2021, 23:01
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But it makes a big difference somehow. From the article:


Anyway, Norway has the lowest coronavirus deaths ratio in Europe (only Iceland, Vatican and Faeroe Islands are lower) so the pandemic is not only over for them now but it didn't even really started. Unfortunately that is not the case with Switzerland.
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Norway was moved to the highest-risk category of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) list of travel advisories on Monday.

The country is designated as "Level 4: Covid-19 Very High," according to the CDC.

The country abruptly announced the removal of all COVID-19 policies on Friday, and the lift took effect on Saturday.
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Simply amazing maths. But the following should be factored in
You know, occasionally a few rare points you raise are interesting. But there's simply no point discussing with someone who objects for objecting's sake, claims to repeat stuff that wasn't even touched, and clearly misquotes. You said it best yourself, if it was possible in the online realm your behaviour would qualify as stalking or some such.

For instance, using your "quoting", and contrary to you without removing any relevant bits, your
- Age demographic of hospitalized should be normalized with vaccination percentage. (approx 80% of over 60yr olds vaccinated but 30% of all hospitalizations are over 60yr olds).
and
- If Covid patients take up only 3% ( todays figure) how is this causing an overload.
would be combined to something like
"How's that even relevant, according to that the 60+ make up only 1%"

Contrary to what you appear to think though, the only thing you achieve is making a fool of yourself, rather than of anybody else.

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The newly created Covid-19 vaccine skeptics party was elected to one of Austria’s largest local councils yesterday after a shocking election result that wiped out protest votes from the entire political spectrum.

Pollsters expected Menschen-Freiheit-Grundrechte [People, Freedom, Rights] to be below the 4 percent threshold required to enter the Upper Austria Parliament. But on Sunday, the party overtook the far-right Liberal Party and scooped up 6.4% of the votes to win three seats in the state legislature.

Another day in paradise.....
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I believe that's the problem of Swiss authorities that they did not foresee that certain groups will have lower vaccination rates before holidays but will be travelling actively. The biggest mistake was not requiring tests/quarantine upon return.
Not sure that would have helped. Trust in the state is poor in the former communist countries, reportedly fake certificates were sold for an apple. And apparently some labs even sold fake PCR tests as real ones, without the buyer being aware.

And nothing kept travellers from switching to trains, buses and coaches, where they'd spend many hours breating air that's potentially loaded with virus.
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You know, occasionally a few rare points you raise are interesting. But there's simply no point discussing with someone who objects for objecting's sake, claims to repeat stuff that wasn't even touched, and clearly misquotes. You said it best yourself, if it was possible in the online realm your behaviour would qualify as stalking or some such.

For instance, using your "quoting", and contrary to you without removing any relevant bits, your
- Age demographic of hospitalized should be normalized with vaccination percentage. (approx 80% of over 60yr olds vaccinated but 30% of all hospitalizations are over 60yr olds).
and
- If Covid patients take up only 3% ( todays figure) how is this causing an overload.
would be combined to something like
"How's that even relevant, according to that the 60+ make up only 1%"

Contrary to what you appear to think though, the only thing you achieve is making a fool of yourself, rather than of anybody else.
Actually praised the maths and simply suggested that figures should be normalized to better represent the comparison. Certainly if you followed up with a reply to correct my maths then no problem. Never

Where have I misquoted?

I said it best myself… what? would qualify as Stalking or some such?? wtf.
I think I said something about I seemingly always picking on your comments.

If you dont want me to comment on your posts anymore, please just ask.
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Old 28.09.2021, 00:55
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Actually praised the maths and simply suggested that figures should be normalized to better represent the comparison.
A "praise" that's followed by a ton of critique, quite a bit of which is simply pulled out of thin air and/or outright nonsensical, is the exact opposite.
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I said it best myself… what? would qualify as Stalking or some such?? wtf.
I think I said something about I seemingly always picking on your comments.
Correct. So you don't like it either - good.

I didn't mention intelligence, poor education is something massively different. Nor did I say that the Balkanians are causing the overload alone, as you imply in the 25% line. Besides, treating these two points as mutually exclusive is simply nonsensical.

I didn't touch on the details you close your post with either, they're entirely a product of your imagination.

Overall, your posts come across as based on a scattergun approach where you list as much as you can pull out of wherever, whether your bulletpoints make even the slightest sense or not doesn't matter. This applies to your older posts already (which is why your "praise" is anything but). The best example for this is the post where you criticize me for linking a preprint study marton explicitly asked for.

If you want detailed numbers, or nomalised, you'll have to take that effort yourself. This is a general point, if you want finer granularity dig the data up yourself. Likewise, if you haven't paid attention to the reports saying that at the peak up to 40% of the new hospitalisation were people from the Balkans, that's your problem not mine.

Further, you'll have to take the lower rate of hospital beds up with the Norwegians, you're barking at the wrong tree.

And frankly, your first remark is plain ... useless ... population size is irrelevant WRT percentages of a population. So much for mastering 6th grade math.
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A debate is not simply yes or no. It’s a discussion of viewpoints which certainly isn’t happening.
Said LakeSwimmer in post #31472 on page 1,574 of a thread which has been doing exactly that for over 20 months.
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A "praise" that's followed by a ton of critique, quite a bit of which is simply pulled out of thin air and/or outright nonsensical, is the exact opposite.

Correct. So you don't like it either - good.

I didn't mention intelligence, poor education is something massively different. Nor did I say that the Balkanians are causing the overload alone, as you imply in the 25% line. Besides, treating these two points as mutually exclusive is simply nonsensical.

I didn't touch on the details you close your post with either, they're entirely a product of your imagination.

Overall, your posts come across as based on a scattergun approach where you list as much as you can pull out of wherever, whether your bulletpoints make even the slightest sense or not doesn't matter. This applies to your older posts already (which is why your "praise" is anything but). The best example for this is the post where you criticize me for linking a preprint study marton explicitly asked for.

If you want detailed numbers, or nomalised, you'll have to take that effort yourself. This is a general point, if you want finer granularity dig the data up yourself. Likewise, if you haven't paid attention to the reports saying that at the peak up to 40% of the new hospitalisation were people from the Balkans, that's your problem not mine.

Further, you'll have to take the lower rate of hospital beds up with the Norwegians, you're barking at the wrong tree.

And frankly, your first remark is plain ... useless ... population size is irrelevant WRT percentages of a population. So much for mastering 6th grade math.
I said something a while back about picking on your posts.. How you can think replies on a public forum as stalking I do not know.

On the maths.

Country A has population 20 million and 63% vaccination figure
= 7.4 million unvaxxed

Country B has population 5 million and 13% higher vaccination figure than Country A
= 1.45 million unvaxxed

Have I missed something here? How does this “ reduce the load on the healthcare system by more than half.”?
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