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Old 15.10.2021, 18:44
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Did he have any pre existing conditions? Good luck.
None that I know of.
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Oh, so your 12-year old nephew has Covid now? (Assuming I interpreted your comment correctly). How is he doing?
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If? Oh dear Hoping he will recover quickly & fully!
Unfortunately, I'm only hearing this from my mother - for some reason my sister hasn't mentioned it to me, which is unusual. I'm sure he'll be fine - he's a very active chap.
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Are parents getting their under 19 years old kids vaxxed? Or is the risk reward not worth it for healthy kids?
Dealing with this at the moment... Soon to be 16 year old will have freedom removed with the milestone birthday, not really something to celebrate. From the medical perspective after reading all the literature, going through what I and close family did with vaccine issues, and knowing the antibody protection from natural infection, I really prefer he gets the virus, dealt and done with, rather than go through the vaccine merry go round every 6 months, potentially for life. However, practicalities may go against this due to one having to eat lunch outside the house on a daily basis due to the latest restrictions. Thus waiting it out a bit until the November vote on this.
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Old 16.10.2021, 00:31
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Re: Coronavirus

Not a parent myself, but I have several friends here with kids under 19 and they’re mostly in favor of having their kids vaxed. .
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Old 16.10.2021, 01:00
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Are parents getting their under 19 years old kids vaxxed? Or is the risk reward not worth it for healthy kids?
I don't have kids, but my 13yr old godson and his 15yr old brother have been vaccinated, along with two of my great nephews and a great niece. The eldest of my great nephews contracted covid earlier this year and was in bed for 2 weeks, and wiped our for about a month with it. Both he and his younger brother are on local football teams, and the younger of the two (15) was very upset seeing how ill his brother was, so has pestered to get vaccinated since then.

I personally know 5 other kids who've been vaccinated and the rest of my mates' kids are under 12, but what has surprised me with the ones who have been vaccinated is that they were all very eager to have it. It's definitely not the response I would have expected and I doubt I've had been so keen at that age.

My godson's older brother was exceptionally clear and gave mature reasons for his choice. He's 15 and in his final year of high school, so wants to excel in his exams. Also, his grandma died in July, so he wants to spend more time with his grandpa. He actually said "I've got a lot on this year."
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Old 16.10.2021, 10:50
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I personally know 5 other kids who've been vaccinated and the rest of my mates' kids are under 12, but what has surprised me with the ones who have been vaccinated is that they were all very eager to have it. It's definitely not the response I would have expected and I doubt I've had been so keen at that age.
They probably don't reside in parts of the web with anti-vaxxers nor read the U.S. news (which does seem to have a fair bit of reporting on anti-vaxxers).

Kids can be pretty pragmatic and most of them don't know who Andrew Wakefield is and the lies he told about MMR which basically started all the anti-vaxxing hysteria (there was none before that).

My two eldest have been vaccinated. The other is too young to be allowed the vaccine here. It was no big deal.
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Old 16.10.2021, 13:15
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Re: Coronavirus

It is great how the number of new cases is steadily declining here, now under 1,000 per day.

What I do not understand is why in the UK new cases have been rising steadily for almost a month despite their higher vaccination numbers; around 6% more per 100,000, plus booster shots.

Edit: France and Italy trend is downwards while Germany rising, there is still a lot we do not understand about this virus.
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Old 16.10.2021, 15:55
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It is great how the number of new cases is steadily declining here, now under 1,000 per day.

What I do not understand is why in the UK new cases have been rising steadily for almost a month despite their higher vaccination numbers; around 6% more per 100,000, plus booster shots.

Edit: France and Italy trend is downwards while Germany rising, there is still a lot we do not understand about this virus.
I think it might be as in the UK wearing of masks is not mandatory in shops, restaurants and on transport. To be honest not many people are bothering to wear a mask whilst out. I wonder if the rules for Germany are similar to the UK?
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Old 16.10.2021, 16:28
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What I do not understand is why in the UK new cases have been rising steadily for almost a month despite their higher vaccination numbers; around 6% more per 100,000, plus booster shots.
The AstraZeneca vaccine given in the U.K. only has a efficacy of 64%. Compare this with 94% for the Moderna given here.

My sister in the U.K. has COVID now and she was vaccinated twice with AstraZeneca.
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Old 16.10.2021, 17:23
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The AstraZeneca vaccine given in the U.K. only has a efficacy of 64%. Compare this with 94% for the Moderna given here.

My sister in the U.K. has COVID now and she was vaccinated twice with AstraZeneca.
AZ has an efficacy of 76% for symptomatic infections. https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...al-2021-09-29/

Deaths (0.15 vs 0.04) and hospitalisations (1.15 vs 0.25) are higher in the UK per 100'000 than in Switzerland. Obligatory masks in shops and public transport, certification?
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Old 16.10.2021, 18:21
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AZ has an efficacy of 76% for symptomatic infections. https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...al-2021-09-29/
That's the results of one trial. I went with the WHO data from earlier this month which stated 64%.

But anyway, 64% or 76% is still a lot less than 94%, especially when discussing the number of viral cases and vaccination rates.
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Old 16.10.2021, 21:01
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The AstraZeneca vaccine given in the U.K. only has a efficacy of 64%. Compare this with 94% for the Moderna given here.

My sister in the U.K. has COVID now and she was vaccinated twice with AstraZeneca.
Hope she has a mild case and soon recovers.
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Old 16.10.2021, 21:02
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I think it might be as in the UK wearing of masks is not mandatory in shops, restaurants and on transport. To be honest not many people are bothering to wear a mask whilst out. I wonder if the rules for Germany are similar to the UK?
Rules in Germany are very similar to Swiss rules, not at all like UK.
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Old 16.10.2021, 21:57
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Re: Coronavirus

We are going into the endemic phase. Which means infections are becoming normal, which is fine as long as the risk groups are protected and there are ample opportunities to get a shot. Whoever has not gotten a vaccine yet, will likely never do. The "I am just not sure about mRNA" argument has shown to be bullshit. They don't want to get vaxxed. Fine, their problem. Pressuring them even more will just add more to the division. In hindsight, a proper vaccine mandate might have been better than this ever turning the screws.

It is time to get rid of mandates for masks and the certificate thing, time to get back to normal. Suggesting 2G is madness.
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Old 16.10.2021, 22:06
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Re: Coronavirus

Why on Earth does this thread even Exist

Just get vaccinated - discussion over

Norway and Denmark don‘t have any restrictions since weeks, because most are vaccinated. Switzerland could also be there…
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Old 16.10.2021, 22:20
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Why on Earth does this thread even Exist

Just get vaccinated - discussion over

Norway and Denmark don‘t have any restrictions since weeks, because most are vaccinated. Switzerland could also be there…
Yet, in reality ...
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Old 16.10.2021, 23:45
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It is time to get rid of mandates for masks and the certificate thing, time to get back to normal.
If masks and certificates are abolished, the risk is that things won't get back to normal in one key area - the health services. Furthermore, things won't get back to normal for those who cannot be vaccinated who die.

There's a balance to be struck. I certainly wouldn't like to be the one who calls it.
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If masks and certificates are abolished, the risk is that things won't get back to normal in one key area - the health services. Furthermore, things won't get back to normal for those who cannot be vaccinated who die.

There's a balance to be struck. I certainly wouldn't like to be the one who calls it.
Interesting argument. The biggest group that can't be vaccinated is also the group that doesn't need to wear masks or certificates, and is least affected by covid-19.
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Rules in Germany are very similar to Swiss rules, not at all like UK.
…and in my experience much better observed than here.
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Old 17.10.2021, 01:25
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If masks and certificates are abolished, the risk is that things won't get back to normal in one key area - the health services. Furthermore, things won't get back to normal for those who cannot be vaccinated who die.

There's a balance to be struck. I certainly wouldn't like to be the one who calls it.
I thought the balance was that once all wanting to be vaxxed got vaxxed, we lift measures.

And seriously, what is the number of people who cannot get vaxxed?
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Old 17.10.2021, 15:18
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Interesting argument. The biggest group that can't be vaccinated is also the group that doesn't need to wear masks or certificates, and is least affected by covid-19.
I see where the misunderstanding lies.
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If masks and certificates are abolished, the risk is that things won't get back to normal in one key area - the health services. Furthermore, things won't get back to normal for those who cannot be vaccinated who are vulnerable to dying of covid
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I thought the balance was that once all wanting to be vaxxed got vaxxed, we lift measures.
Nope, because that could still overwhelm the health services, and kill those vulnerable to covid who cannot be vaccinated.

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Don't know, but I suspect that it will be a secondary consideration to not overwhelming the health services.
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