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I read in TA that its the 50-59 age group. Cant find the article now
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The hazmat suit worker who was in the group of medical professionals when the first French citizens came back from Wuhan (and were quarantined on a military air base for 14 days) caught the virus....while wearing a hazmat suit
So i guess all of the other healthcare workers wearing hazmat suits are doing it just for fun?

Hmm.. hazmat suits aren't 100% guaranteed effective so let's not bother with them at all. Is that what you're getting at?
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a.m. Accordingly, 1,359 people in Switzerland have now tested positive: 1,189 cases have been confirmed. For comparison: Yesterday the number of positive tests was 1125. The most infected are with 273 in Vaud, in Ticino there are 262, in Canton Zurich 148. So far there have been reports of sick people from all cantons except Appenzell Innerrhoden. According to the latest figures, 52 percent of the cases are men, 48 percent were women. Men over the age of 80 are most affected - and men between 50 and 59.

Sorry. In addition men over 80
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This Worldometers information is comprehensive, although two weeks old, and shows categorically that the risk of death increases with age (almost exponentially after the age of 50), with those aged 80+ having a more-than-one-in-five chance of dying if COVID-19 is confirmed.
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Das BAG hat neue Zahlen zur Coronavirus-Situation veröffentlicht. Stark betroffen sind Männer, die zwischen 50 und 59 Jahre alt
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a.m. Accordingly, 1,359 people in Switzerland have now tested positive: 1,189 cases have been confirmed. For comparison: Yesterday the number of positive tests was 1125. The most infected are with 273 in Vaud, in Ticino there are 262, in Canton Zurich 148. So far there have been reports of sick people from all cantons except Appenzell Innerrhoden. According to the latest figures, 52 percent of the cases are men, 48 percent were women. Men over the age of 80 are most affected - and men between 50 and 59.

Sorry. In addition men over 80
Another unattributed factoid. Is that from BAG? If so, they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with their accuracy on this epidemic. Once again, we have very little information in Switzerland; very few people are being tested, and nobody knows how many cases of infection there really are. For all we know, 90% of the population may be infected already, with 95% of those being asymptomatic carriers. We just don't know.
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Old 14.03.2020, 17:53
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So i guess all of the other healthcare workers wearing hazmat suits are doing it just for fun?

Hmm.. hazmat suits aren't 100% guaranteed effective so let's not bother with them at all. Is that what you're getting at?
I say the general public shouldn't wear masks and those who are vulnerable should stay home and not go out.

When the Bulgarian president puts on a mask it looks like this:



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I say the general public shouldn't wear masks and those who are vulnerable should stay home and not go out.

When the Bulgarian president puts on a mask it looks like this:



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he thought it was a batman mask!Full on mafia!
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Old 14.03.2020, 18:05
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As does Sweden. They are following the same approach. Denmark does not Which will call for interesting neighborly relationships ahead.

It feels absurd to whatch pictures of people going skiing, going to theater etc. when rest of Europe is on lock-down.

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Yep, the BJ has medical advisors of the intellectual depth of Farage and Trump. Marvellous.
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I say the general public shouldn't wear masks and those who are vulnerable should stay home and not go out.

When the Bulgarian president puts on a mask it looks like this:

Watch around 13 seconds mark
And if he had the virus on his hands ...
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Re: Coronavirus

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Another unattributed factoid. Is that from BAG? If so, they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with their accuracy on this epidemic. Once again, we have very little information in Switzerland; very few people are being tested, and nobody knows how many cases of infection there really are. For all we know, 90% of the population may be infected already, with 95% of those being asymptomatic carriers. We just don't know.
Worse than that, we don't know which towns have infections and which don't. Which seems to leave people like Odile thinking that it's perfectly fine to go shopping abroad, drive over to Vaud to visit a relative, and that still counts as social distancing. I wish we had more info on what's going where, but since Vaud has the most cases, I suggest staying away from here and those living in the Canton to curtail their leaving the home as much as possible. Business as usual is making things worse.
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Old 14.03.2020, 18:35
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US to broaden Travel Ban to include the UK and Ireland:

Here is the article from WSJ (copied for those who do not have a subscription):

By Alex Leary, Xie Yu and Jennifer Calfas
Updated March 14, 2020
President Trump said travel restrictions from Europe would be broadened to include the U.K. and Ireland, as countries across the globe are taking more aggressive measures to slow the spread of the coronavirus pandemic and combat the economic damage.

Mr. Trump also said he was considering restrictions on domestic travel for areas hardest hit by the coronavirus outbreak. He didn’t provide specifics.

Mr. Trump, wearing a navy blue hat with USA on the front, made the announcement during a White House briefing, a day after he declared a national emergency to free up billions of dollars in disaster funds for states and local governments.

Countries are imposing a range of measures, from providing new funding to tightening border controls and shutting down shops and other public areas

In early hours of Saturday the House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed legislation to make coronavirus testing free and require paid sick leave for people affected by the virus. As the virus reached all but one U.S. state, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo reported the state’s first death.

The virus has now killed 5,550 people and infected 145,838, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University, and is continuing to spread into previously unaffected countries. China reported only 11 new infections and 13 new deaths for Friday. There were more than 2,100 U.S. cases by Saturday morning, and at least 48 people have died.

In a sign of how the pandemic’s center of gravity is shifting to Europe and the U.S., Apple Inc. said it would close all its retail stores outside Greater China. Its previously shut stores in China were open on Saturday.

Saudi Arabia, which has reported 86 cases, said Saturday it would suspend all international flights for two weeks starting Sunday. New Zealand, which reported its sixth case Saturday morning, said travelers of all nationalities arriving after midnight Sunday would need to self-quarantine for 14 days.

These measures followed the U.S. ban on travel from much of Europe for many foreign nationals, and Poland’s suspension of international air and rail connections, along with more-targeted restrictions around the world.

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Apple said it will close all its stores outside Greater China until March 27
The U.S. House passed Trump-supported legislation to make coronavirus testing free and require paid sick leave
President Trump’s coronavirus risk is low despite potential exposures, his doctor says
Saudi Arabia, New Zealand and Canada joined the countries imposing restrictions on travelers
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whose wife tested positive, said he feels fine; Parliament approved a five-week shutdown
European countries including Spain and Greece said they would shut down shopping malls, cafes and bars
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The Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday night said a proclamation signed by the president applies to most foreign nationals who have been in any of 26 European countries during the 14 days before their scheduled U.S. arrival.

The ban applies to the countries in the Schengen Area, a zone without border controls, where foreigners from outside Europe can travel freely. The U.K. isn’t inside the Schengen Area—and wasn’t even before it exited the European Union—though the country hasn’t escaped coronavirus.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders are exempted from the temporary ban, as are their spouses and children. Citizens and green-card holders under the age of 21 are also eligible to bring parents into the U.S.

Spain and Greece said Friday they would shut down shopping malls, cafes and bars to slow the spread. The continent now has more cases and deaths than the rest of the world combined apart from China, according to the World Health Organization’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

Italy, the worst-hit country in Europe and operating under a nationwide lockdown, has reported 17,660 total cases, including 1,266 deaths.

The emergency unit of a hospital in Belgium, where only people with serious symptoms are being tested, was stormed on Friday by about 100 people seeking to get tested. Ignace Demeyer, the head of the emergency services in Aalst, a city near Brussels, told Belgian public broadcaster VRT that people got verbally and physically violent when medical staff refused to test them. Many left with stolen masks.

“The theft of face masks has reached hallucinatory proportions. Sometimes it’s entire boxes,” he said.

Canada’s Parliament agreed to shut down for five weeks and the government decided to redirect incoming international flights to a small number of airports as part of enhanced screening measures. After his wife tested positive for the virus, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he remained in good health and didn’t plan to be tested.

The shutdowns and travel bans have dented economic activity around the world. For global markets, last week was one of the most bruising in history, as anxiety gave way to panic. The U.S. stock market ended its longest bull run ever and entered a bear market, the major indexes down 20% from their recent highs. Major indexes in Europe and Asia, including the Nikkei 225 and Stoxx Europe 600, also entered bear territory last week.

Just before 1 a.m. Saturday, the House of Representatives passed a coronavirus bill, which Mr. Trump has pledged to sign and could clear the Senate by next week.

U.S. officials shuttered schools, suspended sports seasons and banned large gatherings at a dizzying pace this past week as the virus’s threat created a new reality for Americans. By Saturday, at least 12 states, including Utah, had ordered all K-12 schools to close. San Francisco prohibited all gatherings of 100 or more people.

In New York City on Saturday, New York-Presbyterian hospital system said it would stop all elective surgeries and procedures in an attempt to make space available to accept more coronavirus patients.

U.S. prisons suspended visits to inmates for at least 30 days, the Bureau of Prisons said. Lawyers won’t be able to visit prisoners during that time, though exceptions will be made in some instances, according to a statement from the bureau.

Venezuela confirmed its first two cases Friday and tightened border controls, while neighboring Colombia said it would close its border with Venezuela. Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Guinea all confirmed their first cases Friday, meaning the virus is known to haves reached 18 countries in Africa.


Austria is ready to inject 4 billion euros into the economy with liquidity and subsidies for businesses affected by the coronavirus epidemic, Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said. On Friday, Austria became the second European nation to order policed quarantines.
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Best to go shopping on a Monday when it is quiet- whether it is a few km into France and down into our Valley- will make little difference. As for visiting my bro in Vaud- we will follow the advice of the rehab place where he will be next week when he leaves hospital to go in rehab.

Mind you, bridge club has been cancelled, and one member was very cross about it and thought it was totally OTT (despite some of the members being in their 90s)

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Worse than that, we don't know which towns have infections and which don't. ... I wish we had more info on what's going where, but since Vaud has the most cases, I suggest staying away from here and those living in the Canton to curtail their leaving the home as much as possible.
Not quite got a grip on the actual risk there, I think. Hint: when it blows up, it'll go everywhere. One canton being a day ahead of the curve won't change the outcome for you.
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That's not violating social distancing. I suggest, rather than being fearful, you read some trustworthy sites and stay off social media for a while.
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I'm trying to decide how I feel about widespread testing. On the one hand, it seems like a good idea to test as many people as possible and get some statistics. On the other, this is clearly everywhere now and the test is expensive, so is it a decent ROI to test everyone possible?

I also had a thought about the toilet paper hoarding. Most folks I know work during the day and the kids are at school. The only time everyone is home is in the evenings and on the weekends (if then, plenty of activities to be out and about). With the entire family at home for potentially weeks, you might need a lot more TP than normal.
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OK, they have added British/Eire passport holders to the list (Good luck figuring out all the various UK passports). What about the Vatican, San Marino and Andorra? They all have their own passports, but aren’t on the list!
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Mind you, bridge club has been cancelled, and one member was very cross about it and thought it was totally OTT
The point made is that it would make a huge difference - if you and a large % of your valley are infected and you go to an infection-free area of France to go shopping, for example. Without the info being shared with the public, there's no way to know.

It's really disappointing that in the information age, we're being denied life-saving info. Didn't/don't the Chinese have apps showing hot spots, and also the ability to demonstrate to others that they had not been to those places?
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OK, they have added British/Eire passport holders to the list (Good luck figuring out all the various UK passports). What about the Vatican, San Marino and Andorra? They all have their own passports, but aren’t on the list!
I think it's safe to say folks on both sides are going to be stuck for a while. Anyone fancy visiting Canada??
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Breaking news. Berset closes all ski lifts. Well done. You are a real hero. In the meantime 70,000 come everyday from infected Italy to CH to infect the people here
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