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Exactly. Fact by fact:

New cases exceeded 50,000 on Thursday. True.
An 18 percent increase over the average number in the past week. True.
The second time cases had broken that psychological barrier since July. True.
The number of people admitted to hospitals rose 15.4 percent over the same period, reaching 959, True
15 people died of Covid-19, an increase of almost 11 percent. True
A rise from 1 to 2 is a 100% increase. Cases anyhow look to have peaked in the UK and now could even be on the decline. The numbers in the next few days will confirm. So much for the "grand experiment" that is currently being aped in Scandinavia, Florida, Texas etc.

As I said last week, cases started to spike again in Europe. All with facemasks, Covid passes, high levels of vaccination etc.

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Old 25.10.2021, 09:08
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Re: Coronavirus

I was at a huge anti Covid measures demonstration in Bern on Saturday. It's clear that there are huge swathes of the population who are not going to get themselves vaccinated under any circumstances. Even with the Covid Pass, they will simply avoid places that demand it.

Latest polls for the Covid Pass referendum has support with a 60-35 majority, so a clear majority. One has to wonder the logic of pursuing this strategy if though if there are so many people who are not swayed to get vaccinated. All it will do now is damage business and increase division.
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Old 25.10.2021, 09:26
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Latest polls for the Covid Pass referendum has support with a 60-35 majority, so a clear majority. One has to wonder the logic of pursuing this strategy if though if there are so many people who are not swayed to get vaccinated.
If it sways enough, then that's a good thing. The hard core refusers are a minority and won't be swayed by definition.

Not all who are against Covid Pass are unvaccinated, of course. Polls often have clear majorities that aren't so clear at voting time. Only a few weeks to go and we'll find out. I won't be surprised if it goes through. The anti-cert mob are more motivated to vote.

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Old 25.10.2021, 09:45
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Re: The Swiss Coronavirus thread.

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As I said last week, cases started to spike again in Europe. All with facemasks, Covid passes, high levels of vaccination etc.
Yes, a peak, however, with facemasks, covid passes etc, the cases per 100'000 are somewhat lower in other European countries than in the UK

UK: 69
IR: 34
AT: 23
NL: 20
CH: 12
DE: 11
FR: 7
IT: 4
ES: 3

Hospitalisations
UK: 1.35
IR: 0.62
FR: 0.28
CH: 0.21

Deaths:
UK: 0.18
AT: 0.12
IR: 0.07
DE: 0.07
IT: 0.06
ES: 0.06
FR: 0.05
NL: 0.04
CH: 0.04

https://ibz-shiny.ethz.ch/covid-19-re-international/
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There's nothing fake about it, it's just displaying the recorded hospitalizations on that day in relation to the differing scenarios predicted by the UK government's scientific advisors.

Thanks to the vaccines, for now the link between cases and hospitalizations has been broken.
Clear positives from the vaccines - the dramatic reduction in severe cases leading to hospitalizations and low fatalities among eldery !
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Old 25.10.2021, 20:29
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Re: Coronavirus

My 50 year old sister just had a mild case of Covid, despite being vaccinated last spring. She’s convinced it was a mild only because of the jab. She caught it in a crowded room of inebriated unmasked 50ish year olds after a college game in the US.

Meanwhile, I’m suffering from a cold and got a PCR Test just in case. I’d much rather have an injection than dealing with that intrusive swab up my nose.
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Old 25.10.2021, 20:39
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My 50 year old sister just had a mild case of Covid, despite being vaccinated last spring. She’s convinced it was a mild only because of the jab. She caught it in a crowded room of inebriated unmasked 50ish year olds after a college game in the US.

Meanwhile, I’m suffering from a cold and got a PCR Test just in case. I’d much rather have an injection than dealing with that intrusive swab up my nose.
I'm glad your sister was vaccinated and that her symptoms are mild. I hope your test turns out to be negative (I assume you haven't received the results yet?).

I'm really dreading this flu season, because my son is always bringing viruses home from school (I always get us tested for Covid, just to be sure). I guess regular flu jab time is approaching, too. I should call to make an appointment for that... and also get my vitamin D tested.

I hope your cold isn't too bad, and again, that your test turns out to be negative.
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Old 25.10.2021, 21:02
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Re: Coronavirus

My niece got diagnosed with Covid as well, also despite the vaccin. She says it is like a mild flu (and very happy she got vaccinated).

Meanwhile in my home country (NL) cases are rising again, loads in the non vaccinated bible belt.

Next time I will ask my GP to test for antibodies. Anyone more information on whether CH will go for a third booster shot?
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Old 25.10.2021, 21:13
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My niece got diagnosed with Covid as well, also despite the vaccin. She says it is like a mild flu (and very happy she got vaccinated).

Meanwhile in my home country (NL) cases are rising again, loads in the non vaccinated bible belt.

Next time I will ask my GP to test for antibodies. Anyone more information on whether CH will go for a third booster shot?
I am also curious to know more about when boosters will start to be given here in CH (are they already planning to begin administering them to the elderly here soon, I hope?). I did read a few days ago that, in the US, the CDC just approved the Moderna and J&J boosters and gave the go-ahead to "mix and match." Hopefully Moderna boosters will be approved here soon as well (assuming they haven't been already?). I can't remember if Pfizer boosters have already been approved here, but I would hope so...
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I am also curious to know more about when boosters will start to be given here in CH (are they already planning to begin administering them to the elderly here soon, I hope?).
My GP's assistant asked me today if I am interested in having a booster from November. I asked her if it's possible to get Pfizer instead of Moderna and she told me that most probably you should get the same vaccine that you had the first two times.

I checked the news when I came home and it seems that the boosters are not yet approved here.

If I understand the concept correctly, the Moderna booster should be done with the reduced dose (50 instead of 100), but it still has 1.5 more active ingredient than Pfizer.
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This keeps coming up in various ways. Vaccination has two purposes.

1. Protect the individual
2. Protect the vulnerable.

The rationale for vaccinating children is the second. The higher the percentage of vaccinated people, the less easy it is for the virus to spread. The less easily it can spread, the lower the chance of vulnerable people catching it and becoming very ill or dying.
And the first: From the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7036e2.htm

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What is already known about this topic?

COVID-19 can cause severe illness in children and adolescents.

What is added by this report?

Weekly COVID-19–associated hospitalization rates among children and adolescents rose nearly five-fold during late June–mid-August 2021, coinciding with increased circulation of the highly transmissible SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant. The proportions of hospitalized children and adolescents with severe disease were similar before and during the period of Delta predominance. Hospitalization rates were 10 times higher among unvaccinated than among fully vaccinated adolescents.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children and adolescents are critical, including vaccination, universal masking in schools, and masking by persons aged ≥2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers.
Emphasis added.
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Old 28.10.2021, 10:30
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Re: Coronavirus

Another cheap drug found that is effective against Covid.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...448-4/fulltext

Reduces significantly the number of hospitalisations of infected people.
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Another cheap drug found that is effective against Covid.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...448-4/fulltext

Reduces significantly the number of hospitalisations of infected people.
Interesting that the alt-right claim there is a big pharma conspiracy against the i******** drug because the drug companies can't earn enough from it but totally ignore the fact that one of the main treatments used against Covid, Dexamethasone, is dirt cheap and off patent.

Now with any luck another cheapo here.
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From your posts, I would assume that you think the vaccination is more risky than the disease.

Would that be a correct assumption?



I was trying to explain it in simple relative terms.

If you would rather everything was in absolute terms then I would suggest you are way out with your thinking that the vaccine is such a high risk that it is better that most people (apart from the elderly et al) don't have it and take a risk with the disease.
I am not saying, and have never said the vaccine is more risky than the disease.
In fact, i’m pretty sure I’ve commented many times it would be a no brainer for elderly / at risk, plus ,agreed that the Vaccine is clearly reducing load on hospitals and severity of illness for vaccinated.
I’ve never made comments to attempt to influence anyones choice (not true the other way I must say)

However, I’m continually insulted if I mention anything about “side effects”.
I think it is a cogent observation to query why detailed data for the (v.v.v.v.small %) of people who had side effects is not published.

Yes, it maybe coincidence or age or whatever but delibrate withholding is wrong.

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Another cheap drug found that is effective against Covid.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...448-4/fulltext

Reduces significantly the number of hospitalisations of infected people.
Careful with them references, some 30% of the randomly assigned received either hydrodxichloroquine or ivermectin
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However, I’m continually insulted if I mention anything about “side effects”.
I think it is a cogent observation to query why detailed data for the (v.v.v.v.small %) of people who had side effects is not published.
Everything has side effects ... there is not one medication or vaccine on earth that doesn't.

Plenty of people die every year due to Tylenol or Paracetamol use & there are many parents who still give it to their kids ... why do you keep harping on and on about Covid-19 vaccination side effects when it is clear that it is the only way to move on with our lives. Tylenol doesn't save lives.
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Everything has side effects ... there is not one medication or vaccine on earth that doesn't.

Plenty of people die every year due to Tylenol or Paracetamol use & there are many parents who still give it to their kids ... why do you keep harping on and on about Covid-19 vaccination side effects when it is clear that it is the only way to move on with our lives. Tylenol doesn't save lives.
Just put me on your ignore list rather than insult me ...”Harping On”?.

I’m try to be constructive, clarify facts (perhaps no one else cares), be unbiased.

I won’t be bullied into not commenting, as the wording of your reply (plus others previously) infers.

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I won’t be bullied into not commenting, as the wording of your reply (plus others previously) infers.
You mean implies.

As Ernest Gowers wrote in The Complete Plain Words, "A writer or speaker implies what his reader or hearer infers."
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You mean implies.

As Ernest Gowers wrote in The Complete Plain Words, "A writer or speaker implies what his reader or hearer infers."

No idea.. i infer from her reply……🤗
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Re: Coronavirus

https://qcovid.org/
Interesting research attempt from Oxford to calculate individual covid risk.
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