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...I think it is a cogent observation to query why detailed data for the (v.v.v.v.small %) of people who had side effects is not published.
There's a fair amount of information out there but it isn't always in the usual media channels. You have to search for it. I suppose that's partly to avoid encouraging anti-vaxxers and partly because the number of severe reactions is quite small so it doesn't generate headlines.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...%20vaccination.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ogenicity.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
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https://qcovid.org/
Interesting research attempt from Oxford to calculate individual covid risk.
Interesting concept. The source code has dozens of hard coded numbers which I guess are based on past data ?
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There's a fair amount of information out there but it isn't always in the usual media channels. You have to search for it. I suppose that's partly to avoid encouraging anti-vaxxers and partly because the number of severe reactions is quite small so it doesn't generate headlines.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...%20vaccination.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ogenicity.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html
Appreciate the reply. To say, for switzerland (i wont post any numbers as it annoys people), the data from here ..

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms

But no more information ie. demographic, type of reaction etc..
Which , as you say fuels extreme antivaxxers and raises suspicion.


For those waivering and wanting to make a more informed choice on vaccine type (for themselves or their kids) this would be helpful.
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Old 29.10.2021, 06:36
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Appreciate the reply. To say, for switzerland (i wont post any numbers as it annoys people), the data from here ..

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/vaccination/symptoms

But no more information ie. demographic, type of reaction etc..
Which , as you say fuels extreme antivaxxers and raises suspicion.


For those waivering and wanting to make a more informed choice on vaccine type (for themselves or their kids) this would be helpful.
How about here then? https://www.swissmedic.ch/swissmedic...-update-7.html

Among other things ranking by organ involved, type of side effect, some demographic information.

For Myocarditis:

Information from Swissmedic on individual safety aspects
Myocarditis / pericarditis

Very rare cases of myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle/pericardium) have been reported following vaccination with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Cases generally occur within 14 days of vaccination and more frequently after the second dose and in younger men. After evaluating all available data, it may be concluded that there is at least a probable causal link between the vaccines and myocarditis/pericarditis. Healthcare professionals should pay attention to the signs and symptoms of myocarditis and pericarditis and inform vaccinated people that they should seek immediate medical advice and assistance in the event of chest pains, shortness of breath or palpitations. Strong physical exertion should be avoided if such symptoms occur until the cause of the symptoms has been ascertained.

Some Scandinavian countries recently suspended vaccination with the COVID-19 vaccine from Moderna for people under 30 (Sweden, Finland) and under 18 (Denmark) years of age. These measures were taken in response to the results of a study performed in Scandinavia which identified an elevated risk of myocarditis, which nonetheless remains rare, in people in this age group after vaccination with Spikevax from Moderna.

There are also differences in the reporting rates of this adverse reaction for the two vaccines in the spontaneous reporting from Switzerland. By 12 October, 173 reports of myocarditis and/or pericarditis with a suspected link to vaccinations had been evaluated. Of these, 30 were linked with Comirnaty and 140 with Spikevax; in 3 cases, the vaccine had not yet been identified. The large majority of cases involved males (n = 136) and the mean age was 38 years (median: 53, range: 14 to 88 years).

However, when interpreting these data it should be borne in mind that substantially more people have been vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine in Switzerland (see table) and that, for reasons relating to the methodology used, spontaneous reports are only suitable to a limited extent as a basis for direct comparisons between individual vaccines. Swissmedic will carefully examine the results of the Scandinavian study and other available data on myocarditis to ascertain whether measures need to be taken and will inform the public promptly. The agency is also in discussions with other international authorities on this matter. Swissmedic points out that myocarditis following vaccination is still rare and that the frequency of myocarditis following COVID-19 infection is substantially higher in the population as a whole.
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Just put me on your ignore list rather than insult me ...”Harping On”?.

I’m try to be constructive, clarify facts (perhaps no one else cares), be unbiased.

I won’t be bullied into not commenting, as the wording of your reply (plus others previously) infers.

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“Harping on” is insulting? Are you OK? That is not my intention, apologies. Nobody is trying to bully you into not commenting. But if you comment, expect a response & for people to disagree with you.

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Old 29.10.2021, 10:30
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Exactly what I was saying a couple of months ago. I'm sure the solution to this will be to vaccinate all children over 5

Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036
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Old 29.10.2021, 11:31
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Exactly what I was saying a couple of months ago. I'm sure the solution to this will be to vaccinate all children over 5

Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59077036
Very easily to those not vaccinated. Not so easily to those that are.
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Old 29.10.2021, 18:26
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The New York Times proving once again that it is no longer a serious newspaper. If the UK isn't careful then there's a chance the UK could reach the lowest confidence interval of the best case scenario predicted by SAGE
Today; UK Covid-19 infections hit the highest level on record.

I am not sure the prediction business is your metier.
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Old 29.10.2021, 20:16
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Today; UK Covid-19 infections hit the highest level on record.

I am not sure the prediction business is your metier.
Got source for that? Because I do, and it looks very much like you're peddling misinformation to me

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deta...ited%20Kingdom
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Just seen this gem from The Local:

''Despite being fully vaccinated in Switzerland, UK rules treat vaccinations differently if conducted abroad. As a result, people vaccinated in Switzerland may have to quarantine for up to ten days in certain cases.

After initially refusing to recognise any Covid vaccine administered outside the UK, the British government now counts as ‘fully vaccinated’ for travel purposes people who had both doses of the vaccine in an EU or Schengen zone country.

That means that those fully vaccinated can enter the country without having to quarantine.

However, once in the country, if they are alerted by the Test and Trace service as a contact case – known colloquially as a ‘ping’ – they will have to self-isolate for 10 days.''

So I guess when we get to our flat in the UK before Christmas, we will have to not go to restaurants or Cafés - last thing we want is to have to isolate instead of going to family. GRRRRRR!!!
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Old 29.10.2021, 22:11
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got source for that? Because i do, and it looks very much like you're peddling misinformation to me

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deta...ited%20kingdom

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A new study states people who had a covid infection are five times more likely to be reinfected than people who were vaccinated.
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Old 29.10.2021, 23:33
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A new study states people who had a covid infection are five times more likely to be reinfected than people who were vaccinated.
I saw a tv interview with presenter, Lisa Snowdon, this morning. She contracted covid back in March 2020, was double vaccinated and has now contracted covid again. She says her particular symptoms are worse than the original strain she contracted. Hmmm...
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I saw a tv interview with presenter, Lisa Snowdon, this morning. She contracted covid back in March 2020, was double vaccinated and has now contracted covid again. She says her particular symptoms are worse than the original strain she contracted. Hmmm...
One data point is not indicative of anything very much. No need for a "Hmmm". Unless you can't remember the words of course.
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The sacking of non-vaccinated employees has begun in the US and the US job market is opening up. I even know people who have quit their 30 year jobs working for the state in protest.

Should people receive unemployment if they refuse to vaccinate? Hmmm...
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The sacking of non-vaccinated employees has begun in the US and the US job market is opening up. I even know people who have quit their 30 year jobs working for the state in protest.

Should people receive unemployment if they refuse to vaccinate? Hmmm...
Why not?
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On the one hand, some US states are firing employees for not adhering to the vaccination policy while on the other hand, these fired folks are receiving unemployment from the state for disregarding state policy.

It's a new situation.
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On the one hand, some US states are firing employees for not adhering to the vaccination policy while on the other hand, these fired folks are receiving unemployment from the state for disregarding state policy.

It's a new situation.
They have the right not to be vaccinated.
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Old 30.10.2021, 16:59
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They have the right not to be vaccinated.
They do. And employers have the right not to employ.
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They do. And employers have the right not to employ.
This was about unemployment benefits — does the state have the right to deny them for unvaccinated?
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