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Switzerland is acting crazy and most of people too , this is international emergency everyone should be at hope to decrease levels of infection, St. Gallen all bars are open and Young’s drugged and drunks, look , everyone should be at home to decrease or , I don’t know why they don’t take other measures , listen to me and look at the numbers next week after we are in shit they will do what I said should have been done 1 month ago
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Notice BAG didn't give the breakdown of numbers by Canton yesterday after that massive increase of 800+ cases. I hope that's just a blip in reporting, not the new norm. We're being lied to by omission enough as it is, we don't need more of that.
Neuchâtel published their numbers for the weekend.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:02
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Covid-19 is normally fever and a dry cough and possibly breathing difficulties. If you have a chesty cough or runny/blocked nose etc it is probably the common cold or flu.
....although it is quite possible to have both at the same time with a consequent mix of symptoms.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:04
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If there is a total lock-down here, and only pharmacies and grocery stores are open, should we expect long lines outside the grocery store? For some reason, I haven't seen much about that in terms of what's been happening in Italy (if there have been long lines there). Also, I assume that gas stations would stay open? No idea what to expect.
This article explains the situation in Italy regarding leaving the house to buy supplies.

https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/co...-shutdown.html

A friend in Slovenia says they have queues there as the supermarkets are allowing 10 people at a time to enter, but everyone is being responsible and standing well apart. In her local supermarket, there were some fresh vegetables but no fresh meat left. even so, she managed to do a decent provisions shop. The shelves of cleaning products and loo roll were full. There was a considerable queue for the pharmacy with quite a number of older people in the queue who couldn't stand for so long, so they were sitting in cars whilst they wait, or going for a walk round the block so that they didn't stiffen up, and others were respecting their place in the queue. That consideration and recognition of other people's needs is going to be worth it's weight in gold.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:05
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I also like Dr Fauci... At least he appears honest and transparent...
Fauci is really good. He’s dealt with frustrating buffoonery before - during HIV in the 80s and 90s. He is direct and knows his shit. I hope he and the rest of the public health/science folk are allowed to do their jobs.

The US is definitely a bimodal distribution - good science folk and some political people - I loved watching Rep Porter of California interrogating the head of the CDC. And then there are buffoons. So many buffoons.
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What are the anti-vaxxers upto lately?
Do they still have faith in the essential oils, like WD40?
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:23
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Any numbers yet? Sat to Sun was a huge increase but don't see news about sun to monday yet
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:27
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Any numbers yet? Sat to Sun was a huge increase but don't see news about sun to monday yet
Numbers have been coming from BAG around noon, I don't know where to get any numbers earlier.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:28
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Numbers have been coming from BAG around noon, I don't know where to get any numbers earlier.
Ah ok, I wasn't paying attention to the times the last days.
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My hayfever is making the office nervous.
+1 to that - Hazel and soon Birch give me mild Asthma, and occasionally, really bad asthma.
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:34
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It does, and that's because it is. HTH


The shops that remain open will be those selling the three Fs.
  • Food
  • Fuel
  • Farmaceuticals (ahem)

So yes, gas stations remain open.
Hardware stores are also open in Italy, are are banks, pet stores, etc.

https://www.laleggepertutti.it/37602...rPTFXFYJoiwNM0

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Any numbers yet? Sat to Sun was a huge increase but don't see news about sun to monday yet
BAG publish them, this is their twitter account: https://twitter.com/BAG_OFSP_UFSP
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:40
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Re: Coronavirus

I read this tonight, paints a worse picture than what I have read so far - wondering if this happening in other areas as well

Below is summary from a twitter series of posts from a Physician in Philadelphia:

I’ve been in touch with an intensivist at a Seattle hospital with one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 admissions in the US. They’ve been too exhausted to post much themselves, so I am conveying some of what I’ve been told, which is… eye-opening. To say the least. /1

The Seattle situation isn’t quite at Lombardy levels yet… but it’s getting there. First of all regarding the clinicians. None are sleeping more than a couple hrs a night. Everyone is utterly exhausted. My colleague has seen so many people die as to have become totally numb. /2

It’s also nearing Status Lombardosus with regard to resources. They haven’t run out of ventilators (yet), but every single ICU bed in Seattle metro is full. And the onslaught shows no signs of stopping. They’ve run out of other things as well. /3

My colleague saw a patient who had a half-full syringe left attached to her IV line. The syringe had an antibiotic. First thought was that this was some gross nursing error. It turned out not to be a mistake at all, but rather an accomodation to dire circumstances. /4

It was a drug that was supposed to be infused over hours. But there were no IV pumps available. So the nurse had given some of it, left the syringe attached, and planned to come by to give more a little later, and then finish it. /5

They are also at the point of having to ration some kinds of care. For the most severely ill patients, there’s a machine called ECMO — extracorporeal membrane oxygenation — which is basically like an external lung that oxygenates blood when the patient’s lungs won’t work. /6

Seattle has 12 machines, which is less than what’s needed. So a central committee there is deciding: you can’t go on ECMO if you're >40 yrs old, if you have another organ system failing, or… incredibly… if your BMI is>25. Turns out these are all major poor prognostic signs. /7

(Note: that doesn’t mean that anybody with a BMI >25 is in trouble if they get COVID. Just that if you’re critically ill from it, that is apparently a poor prognostic marker. Not sure anybody has a clear idea why.) /8

Meanwhile the combo of exhausted health care workers & no open ICU beds has made a very hazardous health situation for the entire region. If you have a stroke, a heart attack, etc., it will be hard to get the best care. There are patients in ERs for hours waiting for ICU beds. /9

My colleague told me something else remarkable: COVID patients are not dying of lung disease. This seems to be a very distinct syndrome, and in severe cases the pneumonia leads to ARDS, a condition in which the lungs leak fluid & the patient can’t breathe w/out a ventilator. /10

But apparently the ARDS is not too severe, and they can manage people through that part of it. Instead, after several days, the virus suddenly attacks the heart, causing it to precipitously fail. The myocarditis phase is savage and kills people within a day or two. /11

My colleague has seen a number of cases in which multiple family members were in the hospital and critically ill. Maybe this means there’s some genetic predisposition, but it’s probably too soon to say. /12


My sister is a cardiologist in SF and remarked last night that they have experienced a spike in myocarditis case but had not yet made a link to corona
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Old 16.03.2020, 10:47
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I read this tonight, paints a worse picture than what I have read so far - wondering if this happening in other areas as well

Below is summary from a twitter series of posts from a Physician in Philadelphia:

I’ve been in touch with an intensivist at a Seattle hospital with one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 admissions in the US. They’ve been too exhausted to post much themselves, so I am conveying some of what I’ve been told, which is… eye-opening. To say the least. /1

The Seattle situation isn’t quite at Lombardy levels yet… but it’s getting there. First of all regarding the clinicians. None are sleeping more than a couple hrs a night. Everyone is utterly exhausted. My colleague has seen so many people die as to have become totally numb. /2

It’s also nearing Status Lombardosus with regard to resources. They haven’t run out of ventilators (yet), but every single ICU bed in Seattle metro is full. And the onslaught shows no signs of stopping. They’ve run out of other things as well. /3

My colleague saw a patient who had a half-full syringe left attached to her IV line. The syringe had an antibiotic. First thought was that this was some gross nursing error. It turned out not to be a mistake at all, but rather an accomodation to dire circumstances. /4

It was a drug that was supposed to be infused over hours. But there were no IV pumps available. So the nurse had given some of it, left the syringe attached, and planned to come by to give more a little later, and then finish it. /5

They are also at the point of having to ration some kinds of care. For the most severely ill patients, there’s a machine called ECMO — extracorporeal membrane oxygenation — which is basically like an external lung that oxygenates blood when the patient’s lungs won’t work. /6

Seattle has 12 machines, which is less than what’s needed. So a central committee there is deciding: you can’t go on ECMO if you're >40 yrs old, if you have another organ system failing, or… incredibly… if your BMI is>25. Turns out these are all major poor prognostic signs. /7

(Note: that doesn’t mean that anybody with a BMI >25 is in trouble if they get COVID. Just that if you’re critically ill from it, that is apparently a poor prognostic marker. Not sure anybody has a clear idea why.) /8

Meanwhile the combo of exhausted health care workers & no open ICU beds has made a very hazardous health situation for the entire region. If you have a stroke, a heart attack, etc., it will be hard to get the best care. There are patients in ERs for hours waiting for ICU beds. /9

My colleague told me something else remarkable: COVID patients are not dying of lung disease. This seems to be a very distinct syndrome, and in severe cases the pneumonia leads to ARDS, a condition in which the lungs leak fluid & the patient can’t breathe w/out a ventilator. /10

But apparently the ARDS is not too severe, and they can manage people through that part of it. Instead, after several days, the virus suddenly attacks the heart, causing it to precipitously fail. The myocarditis phase is savage and kills people within a day or two. /11

My colleague has seen a number of cases in which multiple family members were in the hospital and critically ill. Maybe this means there’s some genetic predisposition, but it’s probably too soon to say. /12


My sister is a cardiologist in SF and remarked last night that they have experienced a spike in myocarditis case but had not yet made a link to corona


It's never good when doctors have to pick who is going to get the treatments. You're kidding yourself too if you think a doctor may not pick a swiss over a foreigner as well. May even be done subconsciously.
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Seriously where did you read this and how do you know it is factual? There is sadly an awful lot by BS going round atm and there are elements in your quote that do not ring true.

Not necessarily saying it's wrong. But without verifying links I would be very cautious.
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Not necessarily saying it's wrong. But without verifying links I would be very cautious.
Scott Mintzer, neurologist from Philly - he specifically points out that none of this is corroborated but coming straight from a physician colleague who is on the ground in Seattle hospitals.

Also, American College of Cardiology just issued an updated bulletin regarding COVID-19 and myocarditis link is included.
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Also, American College of Cardiology just issued an updated bulletin regarding COVID-19 and myocarditis link is included.
I just checked to them and there's nothing new on their site

What I do see on there recently is almost exactly the opposite

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Early warnings suggested myocarditis might be one result from COVID-19, but Ge saw "no signs of direct virus infiltration of the myocardium" in an electron microscope specimen he reviewed from Wuhan. Ge did see an elevation of troponin in patients with the virus, indicating myocardial injury, but he said this does not necessarily mean myocarditis.

In two patients Ge tele-consulted, blood tests indicated elevated C-reactive protein, CD4, CD8 and interleukin-6, pointing to an acute inflammatory response. "This inflammation may cause multiorgan damage, not only myocardial damage," he says.

Ge predicts that patients who recover from COVID-19 will have normal heart function. "There may be some evidence of lung fibrosis, but the myocardial injury we're seeing – the troponin and pro-BNP elevation – I believe they will normalize after discharge," Ge says.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardio...ients-in-china
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Old 16.03.2020, 11:22
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It does, and that's because it is. HTH


The shops that remain open will be those selling the three Fs.
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So yes, gas stations remain open.
Banks, pet stores and kiosks are also on the official list here.

It seems that florists and chocolate shops also considered essential as they were both open in the Manor centre here this morning along with the pharmacy and food store.
Everything else was closed.

Who knew that flowers and chocolate were essentials?
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I just came back from our local Migros (Greifensee), and half the shelves were empty. No toilet paper anywhere, and most of the pasta, milk and meat were gone. The store was also busier than usual for being 10 am. I could see some of the workers frantically trying to get some stuff re-stocked, though it looks like many things can't be. I also saw someone wearing a mask here for the first time (she was walking through the parking lot). I have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more people wearing them.
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