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In order to cope with the current exceptional situation related to the Covid-19 epidemic and to respond to the requests of the health authorities, Geneva Airport is putting in place new measures as of Tuesday 17 March, at 05:00 am.

Only passengers holding a valid ticket on a confirmed flight will be allowed to enter the airport. No other accompanying person or passenger whose flight has been cancelled will be allowed to enter the terminal. Thus, any person who decides to come to Geneva Airport to manage his or her cancellation or change of reservation will be refused entry. Passengers must carry out all these procedures by internet, e-mail or telephone.

These strict screening measures aim to reduce congestion in the terminal and create more space between waiting passengers, in accordance with the hygiene measures required by the health authorities.

Indeed, despite various information put in place by Geneva Airport, too many people visited the airport on 14, 15 and 16 March.

Moreover, each person is reminded that the hygiene measures recommended by the health authorities are essential. Everyone is responsible for applying them to limit the spread of Covid-19 and protect the most vulnerable people.

Geneva Airport warmly thanks the passengers for their understanding and strongly underlines the commitment of all the teams working.
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Old 17.03.2020, 13:32
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Good thing medical ventilators are made in Graubünden https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/hamilto...id-19/45622132
But their parts come from China and they claim they only have enough for the next few months.
And as mentioned before we are screwed by China: https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...ing-world.html
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Old 17.03.2020, 13:42
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Good thing medical ventilators are made in Graubünden https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/hamilto...id-19/45622132
Germany really showing it's true face these days!

<With its main competitor – Germany-based Draegerwerk – under orders to stop exports, Hamilton is one of the few in Europe still supplying ventilators to other countries. Hard-hit Italy is a priority country for the company which means large orders from other clients like the US Army are on hold. >

Last week they held back goods for Switzerland that was only in transit, this week they deny their all so beloved EU partners survival-support. "No! This is all for us and us only."
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Old 17.03.2020, 13:50
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Last week they held back goods for Switzerland that was only in transit, this week they deny their all so beloved EU partners survival-support. "No! This is all for us and us only."
We have to be very careful to be united globally in our war against this silent enemy. The worst thing that could happen is if countries begin to bicker, which could lead to political differences.
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Old 17.03.2020, 13:50
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Germany really showing it's true face these days!

<With its main competitor – Germany-based Draegerwerk – under orders to stop exports, Hamilton is one of the few in Europe still supplying ventilators to other countries. Hard-hit Italy is a priority country for the company which means large orders from other clients like the US Army are on hold. >

Last week they held back goods for Switzerland that was only in transit, this week they deny their all so beloved EU partners survival-support. "No! This is all for us and us only."
Although I'm not commenting on whether this is right or wrong, what Germany did in keeping the supplies they had, and stopping export, seems to me to be fairly standard practice, for any region or country anywhere which has declared itself to be in a state of emergency.

First lay claim on the all the resources within one's own territory, and do not give any of those up to outsiders. Next, see if enough of what one needs can be produced inside. Then figure out whether there's a need to ask for help from outside. And only after that decide whether help can, perhaps, be sent from inside to outside.
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Re: Coronavirus

Watching the various countries with their reaction to the virus is quite interesting. On the one side there's the likes of France, Spain and Italy who have taken a drastic approach with the aim to prevent the spread of the virus. On the other side there is the likes of the UK, Netherlands and Sweden who are going for the "Herd immunity" approach. Switzerland seem to have a foot in both camps.

I've read some articles supporting the Italian approach, and I found myself nodding along in agreement as it made a lot of sense. Then I read some articles explaining the UK's stance and I also found myself nodding along to the points they made too. In fact, I've been doing an awful lot of nodding!

Who's right? I've come to the conclusion that no one can possibly know at this present moment in time. The only way we will know is in a years time when the death toll of each country is totted up, which is pretty brutal as it is scary. What's for sure is that all the country's Governments are taking a huge risk in whatever approach they choose to take.
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Old 17.03.2020, 13:57
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Germany really showing it's true face these days!

<With its main competitor – Germany-based Draegerwerk – under orders to stop exports, Hamilton is one of the few in Europe still supplying ventilators to other countries. Hard-hit Italy is a priority country for the company which means large orders from other clients like the US Army are on hold. >

Last week they held back goods for Switzerland that was only in transit, this week they deny their all so beloved EU partners survival-support. "No! This is all for us and us only."
No different from a bunch of other countries. I hope we'd do the same.

Would you feed your neighbours if you can't even feed your own family?
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Watching the various countries with their reaction to the virus is quite interesting. On the one side there's the likes of France, Spain and Italy who have taken a drastic approach with the aim to prevent the spread of the virus. On the other side there is the likes of the UK, Netherlands and Sweden who are going for the "Herd immunity" approach. Switzerland seem to have a foot in both camps.

I've read some articles supporting the Italian approach, and I found myself nodding along in agreement as it made a lot of sense. Then I read some articles explaining the UK's stance and I also found myself nodding along to the points they made too. In fact, I've been doing an awful lot of nodding!

Who's right? I've come to the conclusion that no one can possibly know at this present moment in time. The only way we will know is in a years time when the death toll of each country is totted up, which is pretty brutal as it is scary. What's for sure is that all the country's Governments are taking a huge risk in whatever approach they choose to take.
In the end most countries will do the same, more restrictions if hospitals can't handle it, less restrictions or unlocked regions when hospitals have space. All sitting inside waiting/hoping for a working and mass-produced vaccin sounds great, but it is not unlikely that this would mean sitting inside till after Christmas, those consequences would simply be to big and expensive.
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:03
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No different from a bunch of other countries. I hope we'd do the same.

Would you feed your neighbours if you can't even feed your own family?

Where it stops though is that German Customs were holding a container with masks etc that was ordered by the Swiss, paid by the Swiss and was only supposed to transit Germany. That I find ridiculous.


But then they also buy CD´s with information (and say that is legally allowed) so not that surprised
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:04
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No different from a bunch of other countries. I hope we'd do the same.

Would you feed your neighbours if you can't even feed your own family?
If by "we" you mean Switzerland (as if you mean Nederland my answer would be wrong)

a) we don't. The Swiss company is producing 24 hours a day and asked permission for Sunday work. First delivery will be to Italy. Demands of the US delayed due to Italy's need.
b) we are not part of the EU.

And to someone who talked about "inside". I thought being an EU member was being "inside"?

All I'm saying is that when shit hits the fan, EU is useless. Not that I'm actually saying something new here.
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:05
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Although of course not a vaccine, they're also doing controlled trials of two anti-virals of which there is some evidence of success in China.

kaletra, an old HIV anti-viral and chloroquine, an anti-malarial.

There's enough evidence at the moment for the U.K, for example, to block parallel selling of these drugs.

When there is proof that these drugs statistically work then production will ramp-up.
Interesting, was just googling this and came up with
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69
From 2005 and the old SARS virus then. You'd have thought this would have been remembered and brought in well before now - Chloroquine is so common and safe I'd have thought it would be worth trying as soon as they realised the similarities to SARS-CoV-2
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Watching the various countries with their reaction to the virus is quite interesting. On the one side there's the likes of France, Spain and Italy who have taken a drastic approach with the aim to prevent the spread of the virus. On the other side there is the likes of the UK, Netherlands and Sweden who are going for the "Herd immunity" approach. Switzerland seem to have a foot in both camps.

I've read some articles supporting the Italian approach, and I found myself nodding along in agreement as it made a lot of sense. Then I read some articles explaining the UK's stance and I also found myself nodding along to the points they made too. In fact, I've been doing an awful lot of nodding!

Who's right? I've come to the conclusion that no one can possibly know at this present moment in time. The only way we will know is in a years time when the death toll of each country is totted up, which is pretty brutal as it is scary. What's for sure is that all the country's Governments are taking a huge risk in whatever approach they choose to take.

Who really knows what is for the best but there have been some awful decisions made by leaders and decision makers of all Governments. Trump has US citizen from all over the world flying into designated airports and then has them all waiting together at the arrival airports for up to 7 hours while they are checked for any sign of illness! Way to spread it further.


What on earth possessed the French to close the ski resorts on a Saturday, change over day!! Could they not have made the decison on Friday before new arrivals flew in to Geneva etc. I don't even know where to begin with Boris who is utterly incapable of holding a factual briefing statement rather than full of contradiction and confusion. Out of all the currencies it seems to be only GBP that is sinking into oblivion.
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:07
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Interesting, was just googling this and came up with
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69
From 2005 and the old SARS virus then. You'd have thought this would have been remembered and brought in well before now - Chloroquine is so common and safe I'd have thought it would be worth trying as soon as they realised the similarities to SARS-CoV-2

Oh dear, now not only TP that is sold out but probably tonic water as well.... as people will think that helps
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Where it stops though is that German Customs were holding a container with masks etc that was ordered by the Swiss, paid by the Swiss and was only supposed to transit Germany. That I find ridiculous.


But then they also buy CD´s with information (and say that is legally allowed) so not that surprised
Yep, border patrol followed orders, politicians spoke with each other, the Swiss guaranteed the goods would be handled well and ending up in health care, Germany said they wanted guarantees that stuff would not end up at black market or supermarkets. The goods have been freed are are on their way to Switzerland or have already arrived. All happy nothing going on.
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If by "we" you mean Switzerland (as if you mean Nederland my answer would be wrong)
I live here so we is Switzerland.
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:15
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Interesting, was just googling this and came up with
https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/...1743-422X-2-69
From 2005 and the old SARS virus then. You'd have thought this would have been remembered and brought in well before now - Chloroquine is so common and safe I'd have thought it would be worth trying as soon as they realised the similarities to SARS-CoV-2
I think that's what they did, fairly early on in China. They announced their fist results back in February.

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Yeah, sort of but not really. 95% of all of my building supplies that I have purchased in Switzerland over the years have been from Coop B&H and Hornbach. Definitely not to be compared to a hardware store like ACE or TrueValue in the States where you can't really buy lumber.
Not important right now, but hardware stores sell materials for DIY-scale projects to the general public. Builders, who need large amounts of structural materials like lumber, RSJs, nails, rivets, cement, sand, etc., as well as specialist items, go to builders' supply centres. Hardware stores are for the general public, they're in retail locations and they sell at retail prices. Builders' stores are for tradespeople, usually located out of town, and sell at wholesale prices, usually in bulk.

Tradespeople won't shop in hardware stores unless they're caught short -- and can pass on the cost with a large margin.

I assume that some tradespeople are still working; there will always be electrical, plumbing, rooking, window etc. emergencies -- and they still need supplies, so I'd expect some builders' supply centres to remain open.
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:25
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Not important right now, but hardware stores sell materials for DIY-scale projects to the general public. Builders, who need large amounts of structural materials like lumber, RSJs, nails, rivets, cement, sand, etc., as well as specialist items, go to builders' supply centres. Hardware stores are for the general public, they're in retail locations and they sell at retail prices. Builders' stores are for tradesmen, usually located out of town, and sell at wholesale prices, usually in bulk.

Tradesmen won't shop in hardware stores unless they're caught short -- and can pass on the cost with a large margin.
First time I was in a OBI I saw a cement mixer and a few chainsaws. I realized I had nothing to do there

In any case, farmers need to keep producing food, food related industries need to stay working and hardware supplies are needed. Some stores must stay open.
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Not important right now, but hardware stores sell materials for DIY-scale projects to the general public. Builders, who need large amounts of structural materials like lumber, RSJs, nails, rivets, cement, sand, etc., as well as specialist items, go to builders' supply centres. Hardware stores are for the general public, they're in retail locations and they sell at retail prices. Builders' stores are for tradesmen, usually located out of town, and sell at wholesale prices, usually in bulk.

Tradesmen won't shop in hardware stores unless they're caught short -- and can pass on the cost with a large margin.

I assume that some tradesmen are still working; there will always be electrical, plumbing, rooking, window etc. emergencies -- and they still need supplies, so I'd expect some builders' supply centres to remain open.
You are right, it isn't important. However, I could literally build an entire house by just going to Hornbach for the materials. I could build a crappy house by going to COOP B&H. The same can not be said for a hardware store.

Last edited by Patxi; 17.03.2020 at 18:29. Reason: Just wanted to add: pretty impressive example of mansplaining eventhough it is incorrect. Kudos!
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Old 17.03.2020, 14:31
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I refuse to let myself be run into a panic by media et al.....

I know and am aware the topic is utterly serious and we're also taking precautious measures and follow the set guidelines by the set by the Govt.......I just want to lighten the general mood.....a chuckle here and there is balm for a worried soul !



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