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There are dozens of newly confirmed coronavirus cases aboard the Diamond Princess ship docked in Yokohama, bringing the total number now on the vessel to 136, there are claimed to be 3,700 on board.

Must be horrible being confined to a ship watching the infected numbers rising, like one of those murder movies where people are confined to a house and being picked off one by one!
And to think less than 10% of all people on the ship have been tested up to today.
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Well, it certainly makes me less inclined to book a cruise anytime in the near future!
The only ones that appeal are the symphonic ones or Sci American ones with conferences.. the virus doesn't discriminate. I feel awful for anyone dying of this disease, but even more for the medical staff dying, I have a feeling the gov over there will invest in military medics more than in protecting regular health care providers.
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The UK government has just announced this as a “serious and imminent” threat to public health, whilst also announcing new powers to force people into quarantine. Somewhat greater than asking old people to go out and get a winter flu jab.
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Old 10.02.2020, 12:35
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Re: Coronavirus

Whilst catching the virus is least of my concerns right now..

What is one supposed to do in the event of having symptoms? Practically we all catch cold / flu regularly. We don't bother going to the doctors even.
Do we assume that unless we've been in direct contact from a known risk case that we just have the cold?
At what point does that change?



** It just came to my mind since those cases in nearby France, some of those people probably transited via Geneva airport, virus lives on surfaces for days (allegedly) , I probably will be / have been in contact with other people or passed through there.. As have tens of thousands of others.
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Re: Coronavirus

I always wanted to book a cruise - but then I imagined being there with 2000 other people and it became less and less attractive the longer I thought about it.

Plus, it's mostly buffet-style eating and people are pigs.

Maybe a cruise where you can't book all-inclusive and everybody has to pay for food?
That would create less food-waste, too.


They most often can't really get a Noro-Virus infection off a ship on the first try - I doubt they will be more successful here.
Better tow it to India, wreck it and write it off...


I read that the people on that cruise-ship are counting the ambulances to determine the number of new cases...

Anyway, the numbers from China - we will never know if they represent the truth. Putting 400m people in quarantine for a couple of hundred deaths - you have to be extra-gullible to believe that.
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I work at a multinational company. I got an email from HR this morning that all employees returning from China should work from home for 14 days.

In reality, the virus is already out of China so any airport is a potential contagion site. Maybe, it's just the company lawyers worrying about liability.
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I work at a multinational company. I got an email from HR this morning that all employees returning from China should work from home for 14 days.

In reality, the virus is already out of China so any airport is a potential contagion site. Maybe, it's just the company lawyers worrying about liability.
We got our letter last week. Some of the workers have already been to china and back and around the office, now they all get a bit of home time.
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The UK government has just announced this as a “serious and imminent” threat to public health, whilst also announcing new powers to force people into quarantine. Somewhat greater than asking old people to go out and get a winter flu jab.
They've only done so to ensure they can properly confine those who have potentially been infected. I think there was talk of one of the quarantined/infected people saying they were going to ignore the order and leave the controlled area. The change of the threat level was to allow additional enforcement of the isolation.
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I work at a multinational company. I got an email from HR this morning that all employees returning from China should work from home for 14 days.

In reality, the virus is already out of China so any airport is a potential contagion site. Maybe, it's just the company lawyers worrying about liability.
We got a travel ban for China till the end of the month. As for Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, and Korea---well my flights are booked for next week, so they're still a go!
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Old 10.02.2020, 14:18
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I always wanted to book a cruise - but then I imagined being there with 2000 other people and it became less and less attractive the longer I thought about it.
Back when I worked in travel, we used to get weekly emails from the 2 travel agencies that supply people who work in the industry. November 2014, there was a glut of Med cruises at £89 for 7 nights all inclusive, but that was because of the terror risk as the cruises called into some north African ports. I considered it and ran the idea past a few colleagues who'd worked on cruise ships. They advised against it because if anything happened, you were a sitting duck.

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There are dozens of newly confirmed coronavirus cases aboard the Diamond Princess ship docked in Yokohama, bringing the total number now on the vessel to 136, there are claimed to be 3,700 on board.
I'd want off that ship. The virus could have been carried by a member of the crew, maybe even a member of the housekeeping staff. It could have been on a stairway bannister rail, a lift button, etc...
The whole ship should be evacuated and decontaminated. They have to decontaminate it at some point, so why not now?
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Old 10.02.2020, 14:21
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I'd want off that ship. The virus could have been carried by a member of the crew, maybe even a member of the housekeeping staff. It could have been on a stairway bannister rail, a lift button, etc...
The whole ship should be evacuated and decontaminated. They have to decontaminate it at some point, so why not now?
It's a perfect place to keep contagious people.

The people without it can stay in their cabins in quarantine and there's no risk that others not on the ship (i.e. on shore) will catch it.
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Old 10.02.2020, 14:37
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I read about Coronavirus mostly sparing children until today. Children can get sick but don't die of this one https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/h...-children.html
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It's a perfect place to keep contagious people.

The people without it can stay in their cabins in quarantine and there's no risk that others not on the ship (i.e. on shore) will catch it.
My point is that the contagen is still onboard and healthy people may be being isolated with it instead of being safely removed from the scene and transfered to a clinically clean envorinment. If you step in a puddle and get wet, you don't sit down in the puddle until you're dry again.
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The long and symptomless, but nevertheless infectious incubation period allows for easy spreading.


You could literally infect a dozen or more people before you woke up with a sore throat and coughing.



So, my educated guess is that these people will have to stay on that ship for several more weeks (if not months), until there are no more infections for more than a fortnight.
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My point is that the contagen is still onboard and healthy people may be being isolated with it instead of being safely removed from the scene and transfered to a clinically clean envorinment. If you step in a puddle and get wet, you don't sit down in the puddle until you're dry again.
I think if you step in a puddle of contagious goo, you don't to traipsing about town for a while either. Even if not traipsing, to remove the healthy exposes more health workers to potential infection.
But I can understand that they've gone old fashioned with the quarantine of the whole ship. It's isolated, it's off their land, and they don't want to potentially infect or deal with it on the mainland. I'd say it weighs heavily on the mind of whoever made the decision.
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Re: Coronavirus

Nissan Motor has decided to temporarily suspend production at its Japan factory in Fukuoka Prefecture on the 14th and 17th of this month after the procurement of parts from China has been delayed due to the spread of the new coronavirus.

Rumoured that many auto factories will need to close?
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Nissan Motor has decided to temporarily suspend production at its Japan factory in Fukuoka Prefecture on the 14th and 17th of this month after the procurement of parts from China has been delayed due to the spread of the new coronavirus.

Rumoured that many auto factories will need to close?
It's not a rumor, the Fiat-Chrysler CEO told exactly this to the FT a few days ago https://www.ft.com/content/7cef6996-...2-9ddbdc86190d
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My point is that the contagen is still onboard and healthy people may be being isolated with it instead of being safely removed from the scene and transfered to a clinically clean envorinment. If you step in a puddle and get wet, you don't sit down in the puddle until you're dry again.
There is besides the human/comfort problems also a simple logistical problem. Imagine clearing the ship. Where does one that quickly put over 5.000 people in Quarantine?

The ship is basically ideal, it is a separated easy to guard structure completely stuffed with little rooms to keep people in, and best of it all it even has a sanitary structure, it has huge kitchens it literally has everything needed.
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It's ideal - as long as you don't have to be there yourself ;-)


In contrast to an actual quarantine environment, it lacks sufficient isolation between rooms.


But at least, it looks to be more comfortable than the quarantine cells in Wuhan's new container-hospital.
That is probably slightly more depressing.
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