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Old 18.03.2020, 14:47
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The countryside has been really quiet since yesterday. An occasional walker and dog, a few kids riding their bikes. I look out over the hill and down at town and it seems like nothing is moving.
Indeed .. I went out for a run at lunch time, for an hour, up through some farm tracks and back along main road.. I normally see quite a few people but really deserted.

I'm properly in the countryside right enough but still .. Very quiet!!

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Old 18.03.2020, 14:50
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Just to be clear on this, as long as you have no symptoms, is it OK to go for a walk in ones or twos, being careful to keep a reasonable distance from others? I'm presuming so as a bit of sunshine and a good stroll have to be beneficial -- physically and mentally. But I've not seen this explicitly mentioned. Same with cycling, running etc. Can someone clarify? Thank you.
Yes one can still go out. Just use common sense.
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Old 18.03.2020, 14:51
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Just to be clear on this, as long as you have no symptoms, is it OK to go for a walk in ones or twos, being careful to keep a reasonable distance from others? I'm presuming so as a bit of sunshine and a good stroll have to be beneficial -- physically and mentally. But I've not seen this explicitly mentioned. Same with cycling, running etc. Can someone clarify? Thank you.
Yes .. Even in France with 'complete lockdown' one is allowed to go out for a INDIVIDUAL sporting activity.. It's one of thier five reasons for leaving the house.

CH is not in full lock down yet.. But when we do, I assume exersize, dog walking etc will still be allowed.
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Old 18.03.2020, 14:57
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Yes .. Even in France with 'complete lockdown' one is allowed to go out for a INDIVIDUAL sporting activity.. It's one of thier five reasons for leaving the house.

CH is not in full lock down yet.. But when we do, I assume exersize, dog walking etc will still be allowed.
Not quite, people being fined €135 for ski touring yesterday, 'à proximité du domicile' are the key words so close to home is allowed.
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Old 18.03.2020, 14:59
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Brace yourself, something will be announced tonight
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Not quite, people being fined €135 for ski touring yesterday, 'à proximité du domicile' are the key words so close to home is allowed.
Ouch but I can still do that in ch as well as x-country as I understand. In remote places of course and alone or with family.
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:04
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A doctor writes...

Warning, may cause some anger.
Excellent article. Thanks for the link. For me, no cause for anger, but relief that someone has written what needed to be said.
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:28
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Just to be clear on this, as long as you have no symptoms, is it OK to go for a walk in ones or twos, being careful to keep a reasonable distance from others? I'm presuming so as a bit of sunshine and a good stroll have to be beneficial -- physically and mentally. But I've not seen this explicitly mentioned. Same with cycling, running etc. Can someone clarify? Thank you.
Seems to be OK, I walk the dogs in our local woods from 6 to 8 Km every morning. I just have to remember to turn around before the unmarked German border.
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:39
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The countryside has been really quiet since yesterday. An occasional walker and dog, a few kids riding their bikes. I look out over the hill and down at town and it seems like nothing is moving.
Wern' you the one asking not to feed/touch your horses when strolling by? They must all read EF. Or use google search.

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Not quite, people being fined €135 for ski touring yesterday, 'à proximité du domicile' are the key words so close to home is allowed.
https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/Actual...-professionnel
Yeah, well, that is a bit stupid, isn't it? Ski touring to me is going up with fur on skis and ski down. If we agree on that, then this sport can lead to accidents. Having an accident for fun reason these days takes people/equipment/hospital beds from some who didn't have the fun-part.

I do understand that this is more appealing than my neighbour's idea to clean and polish his car. But for once he was not the dumbest on the square.
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:45
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It has now been made clear that shops which sell non-food articles along food articles have to stop the sale of those non-food articles.

https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/mi...d15801511.html

"In einem Laden, der nicht nur Lebensmittel, sondern auch andere Waren verkauft, weisen die Polizisten eine Verkäuferin daraufhin, dass die Non-Food-Abteilung abgesperrt werden muss."

So you can't get your spring fashion from Migros or Aldi

Also, now several experts demand a proper lockdown, not the light version which was implemented on Monday..
So no more buying soap, disinfectant, toilet rolls.....
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:48
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An update from Italy. ISS (Istituto Superiore di Sanità) published this document (in italian) about the first 2003 patients dead infected by coronavirus. This doesn't mean because of coronavirus, It is still too early to know that).


https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronav...7_marzo-v2.pdf


Average age of the dead 79.5 of whom 30% were women.

Average age of infected patients 63 years old.

Pre-existing diseases greater than 3 in 48% of cases.

However (and this is just my humble opinion) hypertension is now diagnosed to everyone after the age of 65.



Two things that make me think:
5.2% of the deceased had no symptoms at admission.
The average time from the onset of symptoms to death is 8 days, from 4 days in hospital to 5 days in intensive care. For these poor people, being intubated in the intensive care unit has unfortunately led to suffering and a miserable extra day of life. For others, however, it has meant the difference between life and death, but we will never know this because it is not quantifiable.


This is also sadly interesting:
As of today (March 17th) there are 17 COVID-19 positive deceased patients under 50 years of age. In particular, 5 of these had less than 40 and were all men aged between 31 and 39 years with serious pre-existing diseases (cardiovascular, renal, psychiatric, diabetes, obesity).
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:49
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Latest Swiss stuff:

- 328 new cases, total now 3070 of which 29 deaths.
- Several Fever lowering medicins are now limited, only one package per customer.
- Referendum in May is cancelled.
- No betriebung till the 4th of April.

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Old 18.03.2020, 15:52
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For these poor people, being intubated in the intensive care unit has unfortunately led to suffering and a miserable extra day of life. For others, however, it has meant the difference between life and death, but we will never know this because it is not quantifiable.
The moment they are intubated is the end of conscious life for those who die, if you are intubated you'll be put in an artificial sleep, So no suffering during the intubation period itself.

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As of today (March 17th) there are 17 COVID-19 positive deceased patients under 50 years of age. In particular, 5 of these had less than 40 and were all men aged between 31 and 39 years with serious pre-existing diseases (cardiovascular, renal, psychiatric, diabetes, obesity).
Category: Unhealthy people have higher chance of death, I'd find it more interesting if this was not the case.
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Old 18.03.2020, 15:58
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Yes .. Even in France with 'complete lockdown' one is allowed to go out for a INDIVIDUAL sporting activity.. It's one of thier five reasons for leaving the house.

CH is not in full lock down yet.. But when we do, I assume exersize, dog walking etc will still be allowed.
It‘s also reported that people are donning running shoes and suddenly starting to take-up jogging just to get out in countries with total home isolation.

Living in the center of Zurich, can honestly say that people are taking social distancing properly on walks here (I go on a local route in our area). Was on a walk this morning, and people are really doing as much as possible to keep the 2m distance.

It is also currently recommended that usual walks in the open-air (keeping-up social distancing) are currently one of the best ways to keep-up your immune system.

It was however disappointing to see the local Migros, where you would honestly think, as a short observer, that nothing is unusual.

Made a curve around that lot
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Old 18.03.2020, 16:31
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Well, if it comes to the point you've shifted to online, I've been using Zoom and Seesaw with good results. I don't know what you're allowed to do online or the grade level you teach and it's certainly not the same as in-person teaching and learning, but <shrug> You can only do what you can do.
Yeah. I have been using zoom for a couple of years and wouldn't change. Admin is easy, generating invites and hooked to emails/groups, it is intuitive. The 40min limit still hurts, though! Online teaching is fun, just gotta go around my kid's online learning, synchronize, give a lot of support, especially these days so it doesn't frustrate too much. We will do what we can do, and then some! x
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The moment they are intubated is the end of conscious life for those who die, if you are intubated you'll be put in an artificial sleep, So no suffering during the intubation period itself.

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Category: Unhealthy people have higher chance of death, I'd find it more interesting if this was not the case.

My thought was more like, someone is marked from the beginning (age plus pre-existing conditions) however, as long as there are breathers we intubate all of them. And we also do everything we can to have more respirators for the days to come. All this while knowing (in many cases) that fate is sealed. I know this happens every day, but I was not used to think so often about that, only when my grand parents passed away in IC.

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It is confirmed, young age alone is not enough to save your life, so even if you're young, be careful and protect yourself and the others, because there are around a lot of young people with pre-existing conditions who can not be protected enough if you do not collaborate.

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My thought was more like, someone is marked from the beginning (age plus pre-existing conditions) however, as long as there are breathers we intubate all of them. And we also do everything we can to have more respirators for the days to come. All this while knowing (in many cases) that fate is sealed. I know this happens every day, but I was not used to think so often about that, only when my grand parents passed away in IC.

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It is confirmed, young age alone is not enough to save your life, so even if you're young, be careful and protect yourself and the others, because there are around a lot of young people with pre-existing conditions who can not be protected enough if you do not collaborate.

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Intubating is with old people (read somewhere 80+) mostly discussed it they want it, with other diseases a lot of people also die when they need to be intubated since the lungs can't do it themselves anymore from normal air and even if you make it, it leaves a heavy mark on the body and demands a lot of aftercare also it is normal to develop problems with walking, speaking or other things.

So nope we will not intubate all of them, never have, never will. If people have no family or close friends who can help them afterwards, have weak health, are like 90 yrs old they often choose to skip intubation and go into palliative care.

It also depends a bit on culture, Italians are mostly catholics meaning choosing to die is not really the most accepted option. Making it for them even harder to have to make such choices now.
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Old 18.03.2020, 17:04
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Brace yourself, something will be announced tonight
Not sure what this means... Is there going to be another press conference later today?
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Not sure what this means... Is there going to be another press conference later today?
yes each day. i think tonight will be announcement of full lockdown.
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