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Yes, I did ask but my line manager basically said that I can work as flexibly as I need to, as long as I work all the hours. No mention (omission?) of what happens if I can't manage all the hours due to childcare/school work.


Around here, the care is only for people who have jobs in the essential sectors (doctors, nurses, etc.).


Thank you to those who have replied!
I just got an email from my employer - a very large employer, so they usually get things right. It says:

Childcare: Federal statement: The cantons must provide the necessary childcare facilities for children who cannot be looked after privately. Childcare centres may only be closed if other suitable childcare facilities are available. This measure will apply for the time being until 19 April 2020, as will school closures.
Please contact your childcare centre directly to clarify the respective regulations and implementation.
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Old 18.03.2020, 19:56
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I saw two girls running together close to here (Alsace) yesterday, but maybe they hadn't heard yet.
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If by intubation, you mean on a ventilator, that’s not necessarily true. My father was on a ventilator for several months and he was awake. In fact, I had to ask him if he wanted the ventilator turned off at one point when things looked bad.Eventually, he got off the vent but died anyway several months later from sepsis.
Intubation always comes with a ventilator (unless you got stung by a bee in the throat perhaps)

Corona cases in Italy are being put to sleep and placed on their belly, tube in the mouth for air in, tube through the nose for air out.

Intubation itself comes in many diff sorts, I was referring to those whose lungs due to severe pneumonia need to go on intubation, not so much for those who get an operation or just some air support.
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I just got an email from my employer - a very large employer, so they usually get things right. It says:

Childcare: Federal statement: The cantons must provide the necessary childcare facilities for children who cannot be looked after privately. Childcare centres may only be closed if other suitable childcare facilities are available. This measure will apply for the time being until 19 April 2020, as will school closures.
Please contact your childcare centre directly to clarify the respective regulations and implementation.
Sharing this link in case it is helpful. It is a news article (I think) not official site:

How long can parents stay at home with full wages?
The State Secretariat for Economic Affairs Seco writes that parents are generally allowed to stay at home for three days, after which they have to organize childcare solutions. If no support can be found, the Swiss Code of Obligations applies. That just means that the parents' duty of supervision is a legal obligation. The wages must continue to be paid as if children were sick. The uncertainty is that it may be difficult to prove that everything has been done to organize care that could lead to wage cuts. That is why, for example, the Swiss Confederation of Trade Unions (SGB) is now demanding that the Federal Council guarantee continued payment of wages for the entire period of the pandemic.

6 months here - so i am far from an expert on what would happen... just sharing in case it is helpful.
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:01
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Re: Coronavirus

French Mountain Police from Chamonix made this announcement, badly translated by Google

'Notice to all practitioners of outdoor activities:

Even today, cross-country skiers have not respected the obligation to stay at home. It is formally reminded that travel to sites for hiking, paragliding, climbing ... is prohibited. Only activities Individual, short-term, in the immediate vicinity of the home are tolerated, subject to holding the ad hoc certificate, de facto excluding the use of a vehicle to go to the practice sites. to the public, cannot be considered as places of containment. The PGHM is present to make respect the rules decreed in the interest of all, including in the middle of the mountain. The violators are exposed to sanctions ".

https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/fait...box=1584541355
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:07
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Reported in the NYT that 86% of infected people never show symptoms. Very interesting...so if the expected 60% of the population get CV, only about 12 or 13% will actually be symptomatic. So maybe 1 million visible infections of which maybe 50,000 will need heavy care. A lot but the health system could relatively easily cope.

If confirmed. Big if atm...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/h...ndetected.html
https://m.20min.ch/wissen/gesundheit...davon-29168870
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:09
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Reported in the NYT that 86% of infected people never show symptoms. Very interesting...so if the expected 60% of the population get CV, only about 12 or 13% will actually be symptomatic. So maybe 1 million visible infections of which maybe 50,000 will need heavy care. A lot but the health system could relatively easily cope.

If confirmed. Big if atm...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/h...ndetected.html
https://m.20min.ch/wissen/gesundheit...davon-29168870
50,000...do you know how many ventilators Switzerland has? 750.

You like those chances?
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:12
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50,000...do you know how many ventilators Switzerland has? 750.
There is a company in Graubünden producing those on overtime now, even working on Sundays. Hopefully they can produce on time.

Scotland said to order 700 ventilators.
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:16
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50,000...do you know how many ventilators Switzerland has? 750.

You like those chances?
And only to be divided amongst the corona cases if nobody else plans on becoming seriously ill in the next months... but we would not have 750 machines if we normally only need 50..
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:19
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Intubation always comes with a ventilator (unless you got stung by a bee in the throat perhaps)

Corona cases in Italy are being put to sleep and placed on their belly, tube in the mouth for air in, tube through the nose for air out.

Intubation itself comes in many diff sorts, I was referring to those whose lungs due to severe pneumonia need to go on intubation, not so much for those who get an operation or just some air support.
Yes, of course, it depends on circumstances. In my father’s case, he wasn’t breathing sufficiently on his own. It’s not trivial.
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There is a company in Graubünden producing those on overtime now, even working on Sundays. Hopefully they can produce on time.

Scotland said to order 700 ventilators.
The army also has 300ish
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I just got an email from my employer - a very large employer, so they usually get things right. It says:

Childcare: Federal statement: The cantons must provide the necessary childcare facilities for children who cannot be looked after privately. Childcare centres may only be closed if other suitable childcare facilities are available. This measure will apply for the time being until 19 April 2020, as will school closures.
Please contact your childcare centre directly to clarify the respective regulations and implementation.

Hi there, thanks for your help, not sure about the groan? Our children are school-aged but young, and while the KiTas are open, after inquiring, our school district in Zurich is only offering the emergency school care for parents in essential functions. I am glad that at least that exists for those parents, happily also at reduced prices.
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:24
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There is a company in Graubünden producing those on overtime now, even working on Sundays. Hopefully they can produce on time.

Scotland said to order 700 ventilators.
They got the okay for Sunday work yet? Good.

At the moment they are producing as many units in a month that they previously did in a year (1,500 to 2,000 units).
First delivery goes to Italy, this article - originally posted by Axa - said.
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50,000...do you know how many ventilators Switzerland has? 750.

You like those chances?
Not all will be ill simultaneously
Not all will need ventilators
The time a ventilator is needed is usually relatively short
There should be at least 2,000 available pretty quickly

But more importantly the 50,000 was a no measures estimate. With the regime we now have the peak will well below that.
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Sharing this link in case it is helpful. It is a news article (I think) not official site:

How long can parents stay at home with full wages?
The State Secretariat for Economic Affairs Seco writes that parents are generally allowed to stay at home for three days, after which they have to organize childcare solutions. If no support can be found, the Swiss Code of Obligations applies. That just means that the parents' duty of supervision is a legal obligation. The wages must continue to be paid as if children were sick. The uncertainty is that it may be difficult to prove that everything has been done to organize care that could lead to wage cuts. That is why, for example, the Swiss Confederation of Trade Unions (SGB) is now demanding that the Federal Council guarantee continued payment of wages for the entire period of the pandemic.

6 months here - so i am far from an expert on what would happen... just sharing in case it is helpful.

Thanks, that is helpful!



For those whose employers might try to reduce their employee's work hours due to less work (not my case at the moment, but maybe helpful for some given what's going on): https://www.ch.ch/en/short-time-work/
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:48
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Hi there, thanks for your help, not sure about the groan?
Fumblefingers. Removed it now.
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Old 18.03.2020, 20:59
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Re: Coronavirus

Noticed more activity in my online shop in the last two weeks, likely due to more people sitting at home.
Balanced by the extra time I have to spend apologising for late deliveries.

An odd situation with Chinese orders at the moment. Stuff I ordered in the last week in Feb is already sitting here on my shelves.
Other stuff I ordered in mid-January is somewhere in hyperspace with nothing in the tracking app about when it might turn up.
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There was a man
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Noticed more activity in my online shop in the last two weeks, likely due to more people sitting at home.
Balanced by the extra time I have to spend apologising for late deliveries.

An odd situation with Chinese orders at the moment. Stuff I ordered in the last week in Feb is already sitting here on my shelves.
Other stuff I ordered in mid-January is somewhere in hyperspace with nothing in the tracking app about when it might turn up.
So you're spending a lot of time queuing up at the post office?
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A request for everyone to applaud our medical personnel on Friday at 12.30.

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