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Old 10.02.2020, 16:58
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It's ideal - as long as you don't have to be there yourself ;-)
I guess not all of the rooms have natural light - that must be pretty grim.
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Old 10.02.2020, 17:05
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But I can understand that they've gone old fashioned with the quarantine of the whole ship. It's isolated, it's off their land, and they don't want to potentially infect or deal with it on the mainland. I'd say it weighs heavily on the mind of whoever made the decision.
Considering that a few cruise ships are affected, each has operated differently as a result.
https://www.businessinsider.com/crui...20-2?r=US&IR=T

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...Imagine clearing the ship. Where does one that quickly put over 5.000 people in Quarantine?
I'd be tempted to transfer half to another ship with clear segregation based upon vulnerability, exposure, etc... They must be able to find common links between the 130 infected passengers by now. They could literally anchor another ship on the opposite side of the quay and the passengers could walk across through a polytunnel, one cabin at a time, and having tests along the way.

The thing is with the Diamond Princess, every time they have a new diagnosis, they're restarting the 14 day quarantine. It would stand to reason that the passengers who have no symptoms on the original 14th day of quarantine, and who have been strictly quarantined to their cabin, would be clear soon, so why are they taking the quarantine back to 0 with each new case?

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The ship is basically ideal, it is a separated easy to guard structure completely stuffed with little rooms to keep people in, and best of it all it even has a sanitary structure, it has huge kitchens it literally has everything needed.
Except if you're in an internal cabin dependent on air con.

It's now been confirmed that the British 'super spreader' passed through Geneva airport at least once to take an Easyjet flight back to the UK on 28 Jan.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-corona...itive-11930618
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Old 10.02.2020, 17:06
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I guess not all of the rooms have natural light - that must be pretty grim.
Imagine being being stuck in a cruise ship cabin with the wife and kids..
Never mind anything else..
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It's ideal - as long as you don't have to be there yourself ;-)


In contrast to an actual quarantine environment, it lacks sufficient isolation between rooms.


But at least, it looks to be more comfortable than the quarantine cells in Wuhan's new container-hospital.
That is probably slightly more depressing.
The isolation rooms in where they just stuff about 50 people in beds almost next to each other. That's not a hospital. It is a death camp.
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Imagine being being stuck in a cruise ship cabin with the wife and kids..
Never mind anything else..
tbh, I would not mind that at all. I'd prefer it also above all being separated.
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The thing is with the Diamond Princess, every time they have a new diagnosis, they're restarting the 14 day quarantine. It would stand to reason that the passengers who have no symptoms on the original 14th day of quarantine, and who have been strictly quarantined to their cabin, would be clear soon, so why are they taking the quarantine back to 0 with each new case?
They do this if they cannot tell when and where the infection took place. Imagine unleashing the people that look and feel healthy after 3 weeks, and just days before a cure walked through some of the rooms spreading stuff around, than they'd just unleash infected people in their own society.
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Old 10.02.2020, 18:44
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Coronavirus could have incubation period of 24 days — 10 days longer than previously thought


So much for the 14 day quarantine period. How many of those people have been released into the gen. population so far?

How many got off planes around the world, had their temps checked, and are going about business as usual - spreading the virus but still not showing symptoms?
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Old 10.02.2020, 18:49
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I guess not all of the rooms have natural light - that must be pretty grim.
Dim, very dim.
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Old 10.02.2020, 19:42
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I'd want off that ship. The virus could have been carried by a member of the crew, maybe even a member of the housekeeping staff. It could have been on a stairway bannister rail, a lift button, etc...
Of the 65 new cases on the ship, 5 were crew members. I suspect nobody on there will walk away without getting infected.
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Old 10.02.2020, 22:12
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...It's now been confirmed that the British 'super spreader' passed through Geneva airport at least once to take an Easyjet flight back to the UK on 28 Jan.
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-corona...itive-11930618
From the article, bit of an unfortunate town name in which to get sick:
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Of the 65 new cases on the ship, 5 were crew members. I suspect nobody on there will walk away without getting infected.
That small but inconvenient truth will likely have dawned on a couple of the "guests" by now.

The upside is that if you do walk away clean, maybe your blood becomes very valuable?
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Old 11.02.2020, 00:39
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Well what we already knew, China is cheating the numbers:

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/statu...192152065?s=20

Infected but not I'll does not get reported as confirmed case, so the numbers are artificially kept low, and this also is in direct conflict with WHO rules.

This besides all the people who do not even get tested but simply get turned away or whom get locked to starve in their homes.

So yeah I stop with posting reported numbers of confirmed cases or doing any math on them, it is of no use, they are all fake anyway.

This is going exactly like SARS in China, nobody outside China will ever know the real numbers, and nobody is in the position to go there and get the numbers. We should just take the economical hit and put that whole country on full quarantine.
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Re: Coronavirus

There is much glass half empty on this wuhan virus, but there are some good things.

  • The environment in China is having a much earned break, think no cars, no industry.
  • The people in China might be stuck at home, but for some it is longer break than they have ever had in their entire lives, rest well... you'll be on quadruple time when you go back.
  • Worldwide stock levels are also being well tested, sure I hear a few companies talking about shortages, but most are saying nothing... obviously we had too much shit in stock.
  • It will be a wakeup call for those who think the lack of air quality doesn't matter, it does and you'll die an early death sooner than you think if you ignore it much longer.
  • It has been 20 years since SARS, and most of us involved have since been made redundant, laid off , put out to grass. Its been wake up call for those a*holes who know everything and came up with the plan to retire everyone older than 50.

Its not all bad news
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Old 11.02.2020, 10:04
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Re: Coronavirus

Oh boy

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/10/h...sed/index.html

["First US evacuee infected with coronavirus was mistakenly released from hospital"]

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Re: Coronavirus

And again, similar situation as the post above, but in Japan:

Two men who tested negative for coronavirus in Japan now have the infection

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And again, similar situation as the post above, but in Japan:

Two men who tested negative for coronavirus in Japan now have the infection

If it is very early stage there might not be enough virus in the body to be detected with the test.

Problem is that they could have gotten it on the flight (just like every other non-suspected passenger who just could pass towards the open world..)
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Old 11.02.2020, 17:21
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Re: Coronavirus

I actually quite like this guy's video on how the virus might spread and what is the effect of quarantine etc..

A little bit long but good.

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There is much glass half empty on this wuhan virus, but there are some good things.

  • The environment in China is having a much earned break, think no cars, no industry.
  • The people in China might be stuck at home, but for some it is longer break than they have ever had in their entire lives, rest well... you'll be on quadruple time when you go back.
  • Worldwide stock levels are also being well tested, sure I hear a few companies talking about shortages, but most are saying nothing... obviously we had too much shit in stock.
  • It will be a wakeup call for those who think the lack of air quality doesn't matter, it does and you'll die an early death sooner than you think if you ignore it much longer.
  • It has been 20 years since SARS, and most of us involved have since been made redundant, laid off , put out to grass. Its been wake up call for those a*holes who know everything and came up with the plan to retire everyone older than 50.

Its not all bad news
It's interesting that China waited long enough with their response so that most companies got their Q1 earnings-call through and guided only a very minor impact.

So, I wonder when we will see the first companies lower their guidance even more. Because that is what almost everybody will have to do.
Almost nobody is buying anything in China right now, besides face-masks, hand-sanitizer and food and beverages.
On top of that, we have up to 400 000 000 people in quarantine, of whom quite a number are probably working in a shop or factory and they are simply not showing up at their place of work. 10% of Foxconn's workers showed up on Monday. They couldn't start producing anything. Not even iPhones.

Every day this goes on, the economic impact is going to be more powerful and more severe.
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It's interesting that China waited long enough with their response so that most companies got their Q1 earnings-call through and guided only a very minor impact.

So, I wonder when we will see the first companies lower their guidance even more. Because that is what almost everybody will have to do.
Almost nobody is buying anything in China right now, besides face-masks, hand-sanitizer and food and beverages.
On top of that, we have up to 400 000 000 people in quarantine, of whom quite a number are probably working in a shop or factory and they are simply not showing up at their place of work. 10% of Foxconn's workers showed up on Monday. They couldn't start producing anything. Not even iPhones.

Every day this goes on, the economic impact is going to be more powerful and more severe.
It would be interesting to see if the effect on the environment can be measured, in terms of a reduced pollution. Might be some positive side effect.
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My OH works in commodities/markets and thus far, very little volatility which suggests that this is either a non- event (according to FX trading volatility/volume) or it is a bigger issue than anyone thought. The next few days should prove pivotal...

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