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I thought as much. As the panic buying took place at the weekend and Monday, now it's all ok again.
That said, I'm going to shop tonight or tomorrow, and definitely not on Saturday with the sheep.

I ventured to the 'big' coop near me last night at 7pm. They have a car park.
As reported elsewhere, basically they no flour, pasta or toilet paper.

Some other products were depleted, but available.
Footfall was perhaps 50% of expected.



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Re: Coronavirus

There was an article in a french language newspaper yesterday in this part of CH criticizing the numbers and there was some journalists that also said what was reported in various places did not add up. Then one reached out and got a direct quote from Koch that basically said yes, there are problems with the numbers and it is increasing so rapidly we can't keep up. That's probably why there are big and then small increases, they miss or lack the reporting capacity for some and make up the next day, so its very uneven.

Here's the direct link for those who want to read it, in french. https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/coron...story/28011622

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Old 19.03.2020, 08:38
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And these are the predicted numbers for those actually tested! How many infected who have not been tested because they don't meet the criteria? To me, therein lies the issue and why all should try and self quarantine as much as possible.

Easier said than done for me as I am active by nature but perhaps I may learn something by disciplining myself and staying indoors more? Like, maybe I should do a Spring Clean of our flat - the one I keep procrastinating? I have discovered that I am really proficient at procrastination when it suits me. EF is quite useful in this regard Sad but true ...
Indeed this is an ideal time to tackle some indoor projects. While the weather is nice I prefer to deal with Spring clean up in the garden and other outside tasks like washing the windows and shutters. I will save the indoor work for a rainy day.
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Old 19.03.2020, 08:39
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Don't know if you already watch the daily interview/press conference/daily update with (dr.) Daniel Koch on SRF, this is the best info source for what's happening in CH re. epidemic imo. Stay tuned.
Thanks. Also watching it.
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Old 19.03.2020, 08:40
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There's no real accepted "normal" body temperature, and it varies within an individual, for example by time of day, just as it does across different people.

It can be difficult to get an accurate measure too, but it isn't really important, unless it's high. Fever, contrary to what that nutter last week was trying to say, is bad. 39deg or more means the body isn't able to operate properly, 40 plus is a real danger.
My temperature (ear thermometer) varies from between about 36.5 and 37.3 over the day. (Under tongue thermometer is typically 0.3 lower). I certainly wouldn't worry until I'd had a sustained temperature of 38.0 or more. The lady who was monitored for immune response had a fever of 38.5

The Times report Boris saying that they're close to a quick and easy test to see if people have gained immunity. If true (it's Boris...) then that would be enormously helpful.
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Old 19.03.2020, 08:42
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The deaths are lagged and don't correspond to the current infections. You don't catch it and die immediately.

Each day we are having some 3 - 4 deaths now (~29 total) and if you imagine a 7 day lag-time between infection and death that would put it at 29 deaths for ~1000 infections (as of 7 days ago 12.03.2020) or roughly 2%.

I do not know what is the average time between infection and death however.
I can't vouch for the accuracy but this is supposed to be an account of the virus's progress once infected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-symptoms.html
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Re: Coronavirus

At the end of this, the statisticians are going to have a field day working out the stats.
How much was spent? How many were saved? How many were saved and subsequently died rapidly?
How much did it cost to save an 80+ year old for an extra few months life, quite possibly bed ridden? (very possibly this figure can be worked out now with the cost of ICU per day x average number of days stay).
Death rates dropping due to reduced commuting. Death rates increased due to living proximity.
Divorce and birth rates, pollution levels. Employment practices, and employee social responsibilities, company reputation damage.


I'm still unsure how deadly this is. Both China and Italy have very high pollution levels, you'd expect a worse respiratory response to the virus than say Scandanavia.
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Old 19.03.2020, 08:50
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Easier said than done for me as I am active by nature but perhaps I may learn something by disciplining myself and staying indoors more? Like, maybe I should do a Spring Clean of our flat - the one I keep procrastinating? I have discovered that I am really proficient at procrastination when it suits me. EF is quite useful in this regard Sad but true ...
Oh yes, EF helps enormously with procrastination..
Now that husband&kids are at home all day long I have less time for browsing the forum or other social media. OH works as usual only remotely, no party going around here. I'm lucky we have quite a large terrace. Cleaning and ironing are therapeutic btw, I like it. We also have to keep creativity up, crafting helps. Plenty of yoga, pilates etc videos, there's a lot to do actually.
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Old 19.03.2020, 09:16
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I thought I should buy a thermometer, I am very rarely ill & know my temperature is on the low side of average. I check it today 35.1 & google suggests I have hypothermia
A long time ago I bought one of those electronic thermometers that you hold close to your ear but without touching, so you can pass it around the family unlike those you put in your mouth.

In some way, the actual value of the reading is not so important.
Take your temperature a few times so you know what is your "normal" reading.
Then if your normal suddenly changes and jumps up by two or more C you know have a problem.
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Old 19.03.2020, 09:37
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At the end of this, the statisticians are going to have a field day working out the stats.
How much was spent? How many were saved? How many were saved and subsequently died rapidly?
How much did it cost to save an 80+ year old for an extra few months life, quite possibly bed ridden? (very possibly this figure can be worked out now with the cost of ICU per day x average number of days stay).
Death rates dropping due to reduced commuting. Death rates increased due to living proximity.
Divorce and birth rates, pollution levels. Employment practices, and employee social responsibilities, company reputation damage.
Increase in deaths due to less wealth, leading to less money spent on health care...
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Old 19.03.2020, 10:38
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Re: Coronavirus

Not sure if this was shared yesterday, but Canton VD has put in more stringent measures than the federal as of yesterday.

Construction works (chantiers) and industrial activities have been prohibited now, due to the fact that many cannot respect the necessary sanitary conditions. VD urges the federal council to follow suit, so it may be CH wide soon.

Further, private gatherings are limited to 10, and outdoor parks& playgrounds to 5, and they have now sent out the police to enforce this. The fines can be 20,000 chf for various infractions.

It was also said that they lack sufficient supplies of tests to test for the virus.

Apparently GE has also followed suit in shutting down construction sites.

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Old 19.03.2020, 10:48
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Not sure if this was shared yesterday, but Canton VD has put in more stringent measures than the federal as of yesterday.

Construction works (chantiers) and industrial activities have been prohibited now, due to the fact that many cannot respect the necessary sanitary conditions. VD urges the federal council to follow suit, so it may be CH wide soon.

Further, private gatherings are limited to 10, and outdoor parks& playgrounds to 5, and they have now sent out the police to enforce this. The fines can be 20,000 chf.

It was also said that they lack sufficient supplies of tests to test for the virus.
In the morning call with my colleagues the possible baustelle/chantiers stop was discussed. Our educated guess is for tomorrow Friday.

Yesterday I went on my bike to a nearby farm around 15h00 to buy some legumes and eggs, saw 2 police cars in 20 min. Restaurants are open for takeaway orders but all tables covered in plastic.
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In the morning call with my colleagues the possible baustelle/chantiers stop was discussed. Our educated guess is for tomorrow Friday.
Yeah, has to happen. Companies have shown to care shit about hygiene at the building places, 20 people sharing one plastic toilet which only gets cleaned once a week and just a waterhose hanging to clean your hands...

They had their chance to stay in business but completely screwed it.
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Re: Coronavirus

This home schooling is not really working either:

A friend of mine has suspended two pupils for fighting and fired the teacher for drinking on the job.
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This home schooling is not really working either:

A friend of mine has suspended two pupils for fighting and fired the teacher for drinking on the job.
We thought we'd have that situation but it's turned out to be completely the opposite..

Teachers have sent work for ours, they've whizzed through it..
Our youngest has started to write in an actually legible fashion, it's just clicked now being at home, it was terrible before.

The oldest struggled at school, gets extra support and gets a lot wrong. At home she's aced it, done quick and no wrong answers.
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Not sure if this was shared yesterday, but Canton VD has put in more stringent measures than the federal as of yesterday.

Construction works (chantiers) and industrial activities have been prohibited now, due to the fact that many cannot respect the necessary sanitary conditions. VD urges the federal council to follow suit, so it may be CH wide soon.

Further, private gatherings are limited to 10, and outdoor parks& playgrounds to 5, and they have now sent out the police to enforce this. The fines can be 20,000 chf for various infractions.

It was also said that they lack sufficient supplies of tests to test for the virus.

Apparently GE has also followed suit in shutting down construction sites.
I was walking my dog by the lake this morning, and police assistants (the ones who normally give parking tickets) were distributing leaflets about protecting measures to all elderly people, encouraging them to stay at home. From what I could see, they were politely but firmly told to mind their own business by most of the recipients.
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Another Federal press conference at 14h today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OHE...ature=youtu.be
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This home schooling is not really working either:

A friend of mine has suspended two pupils for fighting and fired the teacher for drinking on the job.
you just got to laugh ...

https://www.facebook.com/shlomo.pill...8044057824605/

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I was walking my dog by the lake this morning, and police assistants (the ones who normally give parking tickets) were distributing leaflets about protecting measures to all elderly people, encouraging them to stay at home. From what I could see, they were politely but firmly told to mind their own business by most of the recipients.
Well if they don't listen to the soft gestures, the next step will be like other countries have done, a total lockdown. Hopefully aimed at the main problem, but we could all suffer a lot more...
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Re: Coronavirus

Very interesting article I've linked below on how the apres-ski party resort of Ischgl spread the virus all across Europe. Looks like there is a scandal in the making as Austrian officials knew of this but refused to take action.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...the-continent/
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