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Temperature does not mean much. A lot of people have almost no symptoms and still can spread the virus. That is what I meant
This. By the time fever comes, the person is already plenty infectious. But don't let this get in the way of "full lockdown, everyone tested, everyday, screw the economy".

I am not arguing against the lockdown, but I have some respect for policymakers who have to do a balancing act. It would be easiest to shut everything down if one had no regard for aftermaths. I don't envy their jobs right now.
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Old 20.03.2020, 17:57
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Re: Coronavirus

It is not clear to me what is done in those places who measure temperature at the entrance to a building. Are all people with a raised temperature immediately turned away? And if so, what are they supposed to do... go home and self-isolate?
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Well to be honest, manpower isn't much of an issue, as I've seen meter mollies cruising the streets of ZH. Plus we've all read about the incident, where a nurse left a note on her car, that she couldn't find parking and she still got ticketed. Those public servants, could easily be redistributed with a thermometer, etc.
In my understanding, it is momentarily not possible to obtain more test-kits, as the pharma industry is located in Timbuktu and the fine leaders of Switzerland did not manage to establish a successful relationship with the tribal heads of the Roche and Novartis tribe.
Taking the sample is one thing and the easy part, do the actual research on the sample in a lab another.
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It is not clear to me what is done in those places who measure temperature at the entrance to a building. Are all people with a raised temperature immediately turned away? And if so, what are they supposed to do... go home and self-isolate?
It gives those who are allowed entrance of which some might be infectious a nice cosy safe feeling.
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Re: Coronavirus

And what do those with the uncosy feeling do? Just make their way home, like any other outcast? I'm not mocking the controls, by the way, and I think we'd be a lot better off if people would finally stay at home and when out, stick to the 2m limit. I just want to understand what it means, in practice, of one's temperature is measured as over the set limit.
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This. By the time fever comes, the person is already plenty infectious. But don't let this get in the way of "full lockdown, everyone tested, everyday, screw the economy".
Your point of view seems to be confined to the Swiss borders. The situation has put complete economies (read countries) on a full stop around the planet. The consequences are yet to come and are unforeseeable They can calculate the economic aftermath within Switzerland on the basis of keeping the 'standard of equilibrium' as an image for the global economy. That already shows deep sings of recession. All is connected as you can see with COVID-19 on the worldmap.

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Old 20.03.2020, 18:02
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I've only realised that I'll not be able to get a haircut for at least another month. Thinking about dusting off the clippers and giving myself a mohawk for the time being.
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When a low-cost, reliable and readily-available antibody test is available, the population can be tested and those who have had the virus in a mild, or asymptomatic manner, can get back to work or help in some other way.
To many questions still have no definite answer.

How much virus is needed in the body to be able to infect others and are at that moment already enough anti-bodies made to be proven in the blood?
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Your point of view seems to be confined to the Swiss borders. The situation has put complete economies (read countries) on a full stop around the planet. The consequences are yet to come and are unforeseeable They can calculate the economic aftermath within Switzerland on the basis of keeping the 'standard of equilibrium' as an image for the global economy. That already shows deep sings of recession. All is connected as you can see with COVID-19 on the worldmap.
I have no clue to whom you refer, nor do I have a clue on what you actually try to say.
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Old 20.03.2020, 18:07
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Re: Coronavirus

I took fkdstm to be saying, in essence: "This is serious, folks. Whole economies are being drastically affected. And we don't know where it's going from here."

If that's what you meant, fkdstm, then I agree with you, as do many here.
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Old 20.03.2020, 18:10
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I took fkdstm to be saying, in essence: "This is serious, folks. Whole economies are being drastically affected. And we don't know where it's going from here."

If that's what you meant, fkdstm, then I agree with you, as do many here.

And everyone agrees to that. Saying that testing helps is another story. Unless as Tom said, we have a quick easy and reliable testing.
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Old 20.03.2020, 18:12
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I find it odd that many people in various counties seem to be writing that it is "only our ineffective government" that isn't doing the necessary testing... and yet, that criticism is made all over.

Yes, testing helps only as an attempt to collect statistics that are more likely to tell us what's going on. Until they are available to be done at home, quickly and cheaply (like pregnancy tests), they aren't going to be done on a large scale, not here in luxury Switzerland, nor elsewhere, with a few small exceptional pockets which are then completely locked down.

Edit: of course, once tested negative for pregnancy, one can control one's behaviour to be sure (other than through rape) to still be non-pregnant tomorrow. That's just not so with Corona.

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Old 20.03.2020, 18:17
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Wasn´t that Bavaria only?
True, at least for the moment.
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It is not clear to me what is done in those places who measure temperature at the entrance to a building. Are all people with a raised temperature immediately turned away? And if so, what are they supposed to do... go home and self-isolate?
You got it!
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Old 20.03.2020, 18:20
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I've only realised that I'll not be able to get a haircut for at least another month. Thinking about dusting off the clippers and giving myself a mohawk for the time being.
Did the same earlier today..
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I've only realised that I'll not be able to get a haircut for at least another month. Thinking about dusting off the clippers and giving myself a mohawk for the time being.
I anticipated on that and went last Friday
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I find it odd that many people in various counties seem to be writing that it is "only our ineffective government" that isn't doing the necessary testing... and yet, that criticism is made all over.

Yes, testing helps only as an attempt to collect statistics that are more likely to tell us what's going on. Until they are available to be done at home, quickly and cheaply (like pregnancy tests), they aren't going to be done on a large scale, not here in luxury Switzerland, nor elsewhere, with a few small exceptional pockets which are then completely locked down.

Edit: of course, once tested negative for pregnancy, one can control one's behaviour to be sure (other than through rape) to still be non-pregnant tomorrow. That's just not so with Corona.
Actually, a reliable test does more than that. It helps to identify asymptomatic but infected individuals who benefit from quarantine. But yes, there are major problems with wide scale implementation. Might be more useful in a smaller population.
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Well, that was the first time ever since living here almost a couple of decades, that I saw Police patrolling the local school playground .

I am a kind and calm person. But also found myself wanting to head butt, de-nut groups of empty minded teenagers that were almost encircling me within a distance of about 20cm.

I stopped, to allow them to go ahead, but all they did was look back at me and say (in Swiss German) „we are not scared“. Little Pr*icks.

On the way back from my 5 minute excursion the same scenario. I called out to another group that looked the same and doing the same thing that they were d*ck-heads, but they were clearly too stupid to understand English.

That was a 5 minute excursion to get milk (hah! Got the last remaining liter ).



Have never experienced something like this, or reacted in this way (well since quite a few years).
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Old 20.03.2020, 18:27
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This. By the time fever comes, the person is already plenty infectious. But don't let this get in the way of "full lockdown, everyone tested, everyday, screw the economy".

I am not arguing against the lockdown, but I have some respect for policymakers who have to do a balancing act. It would be easiest to shut everything down if one had no regard for aftermaths. I don't envy their jobs right now.
It really is one of the fundamental questions right now and somebody just said it out loud.

Stephen Moore, a former adviser to President Donald Trump on Thursday questioned whether California’s new statewide lockdown order to stop the spread of the coronavirus was really worth the damage it will cause to the economy.
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