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When rules dont work, why we cant just tighten those rules instead of waiting like idiots. Unsure how big is the issue of people going for a walks alone and/or is it much bigger issues that public transport is still running and way too many people still go to work instead of working from home.

Its getting obvious this virus is much more contaminant than expected, either transfers thru air unlike originally believed or lives on surfaces much longer than we thought but something is clearly not working not in Switzerland, not in Italy or Spain.

Why arent everyone requested to wear a mask and gloves in public at least and we keep being such an arrogant/self-righteous f###s instead of taking head out of our asses and looking how great Asian countries like Japan and Korea have handled this and learning/copying from them.
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Old 21.03.2020, 23:44
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When rules dont work, why we cant just tighten those rules instead of waiting like idiots. Unsure how big is the issue of people going for a walks alone and/or is it much bigger issues that public transport is still running and way too many people still go to work instead of working from home.

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How are nurses, doctors, police offcers, employees of pharmacies, grocery stores etc etc supposed to get to work?
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Agreed. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I was in Malaysia and Singapore at the end of January and they took it far more seriously over there and I was shocked that until last week at least, that there are no checks at the Zurich airport especially early February when there were still 2 flights a day arriving from China. Clearly even when Switzerland had less than 100 cases, the per capita number was already one of the highest in the world and they still did nothing.

One thing to learn from Malaysia - seems that they thought everything was under control for a while and they took their eye off the ball, and now they are in big trouble too. So this won't be over so soon.
Big time. that religious gathering was a big mistake and should not have been allowed. Bangladesh had one soon after with 25K gatherers? all madness. https://www.straitstimes.com/


Anyway, Malaysia is in total shut down for two weeks now as they had to react quickly and drastically. I don't know if two weeks are enough but many of my friends who are over the border workers are affected. (300K cross over here from JB, Msia every day.)



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Having lived in Singapore for 10 plus years, I can tell you Malaysia is no Singapore. In fact, the lawlessness that runs amok in that country is astounding!

Most Singaporeans would find your comparison offensive and they are correct given my experience.

Singapore has taken very strict measures to contain this virus and frankly, one cannot believe whatever Malaysia publishes. Have you read or looked into the 1MBD scandal? Malaysia is not to be trusted regarding their reporting given their governance or lack thereof. What a shame for the people living there in my view...

Actually it wasn't an unfair comparison fm axman. Malaysia did alot in the beginning of the outbreak. I was in KL when singapore went to emergency state and msians were calm and did not panic buy like singaporeans. Malaysians were trying to contact trace, have sanitisers in every mall, KLIA had temp screening way back in January. ALso Msia has 31 million popn vs SG 5.5.
Singaporeans don't see Msia as dropping the ball over CoV.1MDB is a whole other topic though. :P
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When rules dont work, why we cant just tighten those rules instead of waiting like idiots. Unsure how big is the issue of people going for a walks alone and/or is it much bigger issues that public transport is still running and way too many people still go to work instead of working from home.

Its getting obvious this virus is much more contaminant than expected, either transfers thru air unlike originally believed or lives on surfaces much longer than we thought but something is clearly not working not in Switzerland, not in Italy or Spain.

Why arent everyone requested to wear a mask and gloves in public at least and we keep being such an arrogant/self-righteous f###s instead of taking head out of our asses and looking how great Asian countries like Japan and Korea have handled this and learning/copying from them.
Everyone masks and gloves outside, dude we don't even have enough for the hospitals.

Maybe you want to inform yourself a bit more before you make another post, it just reads like a bunch of uninformed highly irritating rambling.
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Old 21.03.2020, 23:53
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Oh god! What have I done now?
Ideally, I'd come out of this 'hibernation' a perfect size 10 after spending an hour each day on the treadmill, speaking C2 German, perfect Schweizerdeutsch, French, Italian and Greek. Instead, after watching 10 mins of TeleZüri News and 15mins of UK news, I need to dettox by watching crap, happy bubblegum tv and listening to my OH's video of a Greek cat protecting itself from the virus by drinking raki and wearing a pair of underpants over it's face. *Need motivation*
Ah well, I boycotted that by buying some sweets in case I get the munchies while hanging around at home only, forgetting that I normally only get the munchies when I know there is something sweet in the cupboard.

I have now decided to go right through the sweet stuff to get it over with, then not buy any new stuff next time. After that I hope it will be peanuts to get from 12 to 10.

Have you noticed that a size 12 - which is a 38 here - is a 40 in France and a 44 in Italy? Wonder what psychology is behind that. And I wonder if the French and the Italian woman are all bulimic, frantically trying to reach a dress-size number which in the rest of the world hardly any adult wears (once an Italian woman reaches size 36 she's on a UK-size 4 )


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But can we? I am really not clear on this. I read we must only go out if absolutely necessary. That means

- if you have to purchase groceries
- if you have to go to the doctors or the chemist
- if you have to help someone
- if you are unable to work from home and you have to go to work

I would love to go out for a walk but interpret the latest dictat as meaning that I really shouldn't although it doesn't state that I mustn't.

Am I missing something?
Gatherings of more than 5 people cause a fine.

Staying at home unless you must go out for example the mentioned reasons is strong advise. Strong advise normally works here when it makes sense and this one does make sense. I really guess it depends where you live. In the middle of the city you will run into a lot more people when just going on a walk than out here in the sticks. I've seen people walking and cycling by here but no groups. Only couples who live together anyway. One couple returned from their walk, ran into a neighbour and had a chat - the couple stood together, the neighbour had a distance of at least 4 meters from them.

I really don't know why people don't use their common sense. If you feel you need to go outside and can do it without getting close to anyone/endangering anyone, do it. If you believe staying indoors is the safest way for both you and the others then stay in. I'm beginning to wonder what people are more afraid of - the virus or the fine?
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Unless they release more numbers in the next hour the daily count seems to be 1.132 new cases bringing the total to 6.747 and 24 more deaths making a total of 80

They now report 141 in serious/critical condition, but given that they have not released such numbers for some time and the low number this can't be the whole story imho, perhaps they update this better over the next days.
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I also understood it as that: no walks, no cycling, no private visits to friends' homes to socialise. Just Stay At Home. Exceptions only those specified on the list.
It is not forbidden to go for a walk or a run up the hill, there is however a strong appeal to the population to not do it, but that's all it is.
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Old 21.03.2020, 23:59
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Nearly 800 dead in the last 24hours in Italy.

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How are nurses, doctors, police offcers, employees of pharmacies, grocery stores etc etc supposed to get to work?
Obviously you call those 'exceptions' (and the one's with dogs as we have read), you seem to have listed them all. The rest should stay home.

Why can't it be like so? What astonish me most is how people waits to see/hear what the next officially release tells them and keep hanging in groups of 5.... when is clear that no one should be out if not on a list similar to the above (and yes, people that walk their dogs!)

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Why arent everyone requested to wear a mask and gloves in public at least and we keep being such an arrogant/self-righteous f###s instead of taking head out of our asses and looking how great Asian countries like Japan and Korea have handled this and learning/copying from them.
I've been thinking about this for months. Here's what I thought of, I don't have an answer tho:

-There are obviously two schools of thoughts: Governments n WHO kept repeating there's no need to wear mask unless you're sick, although usually in the same article they also mention some infected ppl show no symptoms, so there's no way you can be sure you're not sick. In hk at least it's common sense that most virus transmits with droplets, and masks block droplets when worn correctly, it's also common sense that it's an act of collectivism, the masks protect the others more than the wearer, so only works when most people if not all are wearing them. But yea, two schools of thoughts. It's difficult.

-There aren't enough masks. Making them might be too many extra steps for mass adoption. Even if there are enough masks, for first-timers it's not a very encouraging thing to do. I also hated it during SARS, masks are not pretty, also not comfortable to breath in, good enough reason for most people to avoid.
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Old 22.03.2020, 00:07
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It seems to be happening all over. I guess the explosion of gin distilleries has an additional benefit. (Over getting some really interesting gins).

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But can we? I am really not clear on this. I read we must only go out if absolutely necessary. That means

- if you have to purchase groceries
- if you have to go to the doctors or the chemist
- if you have to help someone
- if you are unable to work from home and you have to go to work

I would love to go out for a walk but interpret the latest dictat as meaning that I really shouldn't although it doesn't state that I mustn't.

Am I missing something?
There are fines if you are in a gathering, totalling more than 5 people, in a public place. There are fines if you are in a gathering of 5 or less people, and don't keep a minimum distance of 2m between you.

There are no fines for go for a walking or walking your dog. From this you can conclude, I think, that going for a walk or walking your dog is permitted, so long as you keep to the distancing/gathering rules.

There is no legal requirement at this time to only venture outside for one of the listed reasons. I cannot think of any rational reason why there would be.

The disease is not like 'flu in that yYou cannot get infected by breathing in the air that an infected person has breathed out. You get infected by touching them, touching a surface they've touched, or breathing in the products of their cough or sneeze.

My wife and I walked to the shops this morning, and did not keep 2m apart. We did not get fined by the police who saw us. I assume that there's an officious bystander idea operating about social distancing in that of course it doesn't apply to people who live together.
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The disease is not like 'flu in that you cannot get infected by breathing in the air that an infected person has breathed out.
Neither does the flu
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You're right. I don't know where I got that idea - read it somewhere I suppose. But 'flu is more contagious than Coronavirus

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You're right. I don't know where I got that idea - read it somewhere I suppose. But 'flu is more contagious than Coronavirus.
seems not true, researchers are still working to determine the R0 for COVID-19, flu is 1.3 and as for now COVID-19 between 2-3.

The truth is, we don't know yet.
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There are no fines for go for a walking or walking your dog. From this you can conclude, I think, that going for a walk or walking your dog is permitted, so long as you keep to the distancing/gathering rules.
I really hope they don't take this last vestige of normality away, my evening walk (through deserted streets) is the only exercise in fresh air I get.
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I really hope they don't take this last vestige of normality away, my evening walk (through deserted streets) is the only exercise in fresh air I get.
Just have to see how people behave and how the numbers change in a week. If people keep flocking together as they do now and numbers don't go down government has little choice left than closing much more companies and restrict us further in our freedom.
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I've been thinking about this for months. Here's what I thought of, I don't have an answer tho:

-There are obviously two schools of thoughts: Governments n WHO kept repeating there's no need to wear mask unless you're sick, although usually in the same article they also mention some infected ppl show no symptoms, so there's no way you can be sure you're not sick. In hk at least it's common sense that most virus transmits with droplets, and masks block droplets when worn correctly, it's also common sense that it's an act of collectivism, the masks protect the others more than the wearer, so only works when most people if not all are wearing them. But yea, two schools of thoughts. It's difficult.

-There aren't enough masks. Making them might be too many extra steps for mass adoption. Even if there are enough masks, for first-timers it's not a very encouraging thing to do. I also hated it during SARS, masks are not pretty, also not comfortable to breath in, good enough reason for most people to avoid.

Why are not the countries that have managed to put the infections down a good example? No need to do much thinking. And if you check their reports, when people is outside and even at work spaces they continue to wear a mask to keep care of others and protect themselves.

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You cannot get infected by breathing in the air that an infected person has breathed out.

What? You have sources to validate such conclusion?
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The disease is not like 'flu in that yYou cannot get infected by breathing in the air that an infected person has breathed out. You get infected by touching them, touching a surface they've touched, or breathing in the products of their cough or sneeze.
" The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours...The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air..."

source: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...hours-surfaces

"Humans can produce respiratory aerosols (droplets) by several means, including breathing, talking, coughing, sneezing, and even singing."

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