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Re: Coronavirus

Well i am ready with my Ikea mask. I wear it now when I visit Ikea. Many of their products come from Wuhan

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Old 14.02.2020, 17:42
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The Chinese Authorities published the genetic code of this virus online so that everyone could get to work on developing a vaccine. Credit where credit's due.

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Lets keep this in perspective. The Black Death took 25 million lives
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Lets keep this in perspective. The Black Death took 25 million lives
At a time when the world population was much smaller accounting for a larger overall percentage of the worlds population. It did this at a time when there was far less population density as well.
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Lets keep this in perspective. The Black Death took 25 million lives
You might want to look that up, 25M is very very optimistic... (That's only European victims)
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Old 14.02.2020, 18:53
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Nowhere to place them, nobody to treat them, no materials or medicines to offer.

Healthcare system is overrun and overwhelmed and with 1716 confirmed healthcare workers being infected and 6 of them that died and more and more people becoming infected there is actually little else to do than just lock them up and hope they are still alive when the door gets opened in some weeks...
I am posting about a topic I know little about (some would say as usual) but with 1716 confirmed healthcare workers being infected this seems an unusually high number? Considering the virus takes a couple of weeks to develop so they were exposed to a much smaller number of active cases than now. So maybe the number of cases was much higher than was admitted?
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yes its not looking good

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I am posting about a topic I know little about (some would say as usual) but with 1716 confirmed healthcare workers being infected this seems an unusually high number? Considering the virus takes a couple of weeks to develop so they were exposed to a much smaller number of active cases than now. So maybe the number of cases was much higher than was admitted?
It is the official number as communicated by Chinese government. And the couple of weeks is not completely true, research has shown that it can take up to 24 days before symptoms are shown, but large majority shows much earlier. And one becomes contagious before symptoms start.

And nobody believes the Chinese numbers of amount of people being infected to be correct that combined with a lack of proper equipement, lack of protection, lack of education and not knowing what exactly is/was being dealt with gives me the impression that a couple of thousand healthcare workers being infection is more something to be expected than a surprise.
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It is more accurate to compare it with Spanish flu.
No, it's not a good comparison, not at all.

The Spanish flu was a H1N1 variety ("regular flu"), Corona virus isn't.

The Spanish flu killed mostly young people, 20-40yrs - old ones were already immune, since a similar flu was active roughly 40 years before, immunizing most. Corona mostly kills older people, recovery rate for young people is very high.

It started at the end of World War 1, where censorship was brutal, people were weak, medical supplies low, and travel (due to troop transports) the highest in history ever - compared to the Corona virus, where travel restrictions happened quite early, and people were isolated fast in most cases, stopping the spreading rather hard outside of the initial Wuhan area/county.

Besides both being "pandemics", there is not much comparison between them really.
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The figures I’ve seen for Coronavirus are upwards of 350 million deaths with a fully involved global pandemic.
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There is much glass half empty on this wuhan virus, but there are some good things.

  • The environment in China is having a much earned break, think no cars, no industry.
  • The people in China might be stuck at home, but for some it is longer break than they have ever had in their entire lives, rest well... you'll be on quadruple time when you go back.
  • Worldwide stock levels are also being well tested, sure I hear a few companies talking about shortages, but most are saying nothing... obviously we had too much shit in stock.
  • It will be a wakeup call for those who think the lack of air quality doesn't matter, it does and you'll die an early death sooner than you think if you ignore it much longer.
  • It has been 20 years since SARS, and most of us involved have since been made redundant, laid off , put out to grass. Its been wake up call for those a*holes who know everything and came up with the plan to retire everyone older than 50.

Its not all bad news
The wife is who Chinese passed on a few others.
  • The crime rate across China has plummeted, half the criminals are stuck @ home, the other half afraid to go to anyone else home.
  • Fortunate for the A&E which is full right now has far less business as usual, with no accidents [no cars on the road] and far fewer road injuries
  • Somone else mentioned the fact that the world at large needs to manufacture less in China and more at home, a wake up call for CEOs around the world.
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The wife is who Chinese passed on a few others.
  • The crime rate across China has plummeted, half the criminals are stuck @ home, the other half afraid to go to anyone else home.
  • Fortunate for the A&E which is full right now has far less business as usual, with no accidents [no cars on the road] and far fewer road injuries
  • Somone else mentioned the fact that the world at large needs to manufacture less in China and more at home, a wake up call for CEOs around the world.
Manufacture more at home. No thanks. It equals more factories,more waste,more pollution. People have to learn to live differently. It starts with the person.
And don't worry as soon as the epidemic in China has finished the crime rate will rise dramatically. They have to make up for lost time!
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Old 15.02.2020, 14:07
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The figures I’ve seen for Coronavirus are upwards of 350 million deaths with a fully involved global pandemic.
Yup. Plus I don't think we can stay extremely vigilant with preventative measures for too long, either. China isn't doing it well enough when the med staff is getting infected too and fast. Then, how long can you keep a few thousands on a cruiser? The staff is opposing their death sentence, too, pretty rightfully. Air crews are refusing to fly the evacuation flights and hospitals are accidentally discharging coronavirus positive patients.
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Yup. Plus I don't think we can stay extremely vigilant with preventative measures for too long, either. China isn't doing it well enough when the med staff is getting infected too and fast. Then, how long can you keep a few thousands on a cruiser? The staff is opposing their death sentence, too, pretty rightfully. Air crews are refusing to fly the evacuation flights and hospitals are accidentally discharging coronavirus positive patients.
The crew of the cruise-ship is mostly Indian, as I've heard. They are treated as disposables, literally. They go from cabin to cabin, handing out food.
They wear face-masks (not N95 masks) and maybe gloves.

I'm not bothering to dig up the numbers but a rather large percentage of the infected on that ship are crew. So they basically carry it from cabin to cabin while they don't show symptoms.

What most people don't understand is that similar to Ebola, when you wear a protective suit, there are protocols in place on how to put it on and how to get out of it without contaminating yourself (or others). You have to be extremely determined and it requires an enormous amount of concentration to keep adhering to that protocol, even if you are exhausted. Likely, nobody has told or taught these people anything.

And they've got that infected taxi-driver in Japan who apparently picked up a passenger around a month ago who was from Hubei province and has been ferrying around other passengers since then. Wife is also infected.

US is now considering picking their citizens up and flying them home (no doubt, bringing more new cases...).
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So whats a couple of milliarden away!
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The crew of the cruise-ship is mostly Indian, as I've heard. They are treated as disposables, literally. They go from cabin to cabin, handing out food.
They wear face-masks (not N95 masks) and maybe gloves.

I'm not bothering to dig up the numbers but a rather large percentage of the infected on that ship are crew. So they basically carry it from cabin to cabin while they don't show symptoms.

What most people don't understand is that similar to Ebola, when you wear a protective suit, there are protocols in place on how to put it on and how to get out of it without contaminating yourself (or others). You have to be extremely determined and it requires an enormous amount of concentration to keep adhering to that protocol, even if you are exhausted. Likely, nobody has told or taught these people anything.

And they've got that infected taxi-driver in Japan who apparently picked up a passenger around a month ago who was from Hubei province and has been ferrying around other passengers since then. Wife is also infected.

US is now considering picking their citizens up and flying them home (no doubt, bringing more new cases...).
Well shit. Its just the flu anyhow. Why do people get so carried away with this!
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The wife is who Chinese passed on a few others.
  • The crime rate across China has plummeted, half the criminals are stuck @ home, the other half afraid to go to anyone else home.
  • Fortunate for the A&E which is full right now has far less business as usual, with no accidents [no cars on the road] and far fewer road injuries
  • Somone else mentioned the fact that the world at large needs to manufacture less in China and more at home, a wake up call for CEOs around the world.
And one more thing. Have you all noticed how the demonstrations in HongKong have disappeared. As is the case in Paris with the yellow jackets. Could there be something fishy going on here.
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And one more thing. Have you all noticed how the demonstrations in HongKong have disappeared. As is the case in Paris with the yellow jackets. Could there be something fishy going on here.
Could it possibly be that people are avoiding crowded places?
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US is now considering picking their citizens up and flying them home (no doubt, bringing more new cases...).
EU did the same starting with the end of January....... They repatriated EU citizens from Wuhan. Before USA! Imagine that.
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