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With Sweden nothing should amaze us. I'd say their course of action is to tell the people it isn't so bad and get the whole country infected asap and if shit hits the fan they'll be like "oh hey, that's weird...."

They reduced amount of public transport as of today which only led to the busses being more crowded than normally already is happening.
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There's an election in 2022 and if they have some backbone and take some hard decisions for the sake of the people, that might have some negative effects of course. Then they can be blamed for these negative consequences by the opposition. If they don't do anything and play down the situation for now, they can just come up with some bullshit excuses afterwards.
This is how career politicans thinks. Power is more important than the people.
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With Sweden nothing should amaze us. I'd say their course of action is to tell the people it isn't so bad and get the whole country infected asap and if shit hits the fan they'll be like "oh hey, that's weird...."

They reduced amount of public transport as of today which only led to the busses being more crowded than normally already is happening.
Hm, Sweden's growth rate is just as exponential as in other countries (on J. Hopkins site)
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Old 23.03.2020, 12:52
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Hm, Sweden's growth rate is just as exponential as in other countries (on J. Hopkins site)
Confirmed cases are hard to interpret properly when not knowing the difference and amount in testing which Sweden also has reduced some days ago.

But yeah just like the rest of Europe their confirmed numbers go up, only they have the disadvantage that their health system is already loaded in normal periods. And given that they do almost nothing to stop spreading they'll be damned more than needed.
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Old 23.03.2020, 12:54
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:10
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A long hot summer could provide some respite, but it would probably have to be over 30 degrees day after day, and it would only be respite. We've had that for a number of weeks in recent years. However, that would provide valuable time to regroup and shore up resources.
Looks unlikely. Seems to spreading in Australia quite happily, also in the likes of Thailand, Malaysia Brazil...all further back on the curve than us but look like heading in the same direction unfortunately.
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The only "hot" country that is managing it quite well (and only recently got more "imported cases") is Singapore, which, while not locking down, has a rather sophisticated strategy, taking use of tracking through mobile phones locations. And nope, they don't have any concerns about privacy.

So I'd say, maybe hot temperatures does slow it down a bit, but certainly not enough unless you take extreme measurements.
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:37
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:38
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One of the things I was thinking about in the last few days: the virus crisis may be augmented by other events. Earthquake in Crotia, apparently no one died, but the health system got another problem https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/22/...nd-its-capital

Too much or too little rain falls, the earth shakes, and wars are still fought. These things happen and are not considered while assessing the risk of the virus crisis. A flood event that might be forgettable in different circumstances may become huge

PS. I have some job experience in risk assessment, I'm not affected that much by it emotionally. If you do, feel free to tell me to shut up.
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:48
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One of the things I was thinking about in the last few days: the virus crisis may be augmented by other events. Earthquake in Crotia, apparently no one died, but the health system got another problem https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/22/...nd-its-capital

Too much or too little rain falls, the earth shakes, and wars are still fought. These things happen and are not considered while assessing the risk of the virus crisis. A flood event that might be forgettable in different circumstances may become huge

PS. I have some job experience in risk assessment, I'm not affected that much by it emotionally. If you do, feel free to tell me to shut up.
It is good to have voices like that here, keeps the balance. I read that you wrote about you not being affected much emotionally thanks to your experiences. I don't read it as you are a heartless sociopath unable of empathy. We need to have voices like yours and opinions (which I do not find unempathetic, I find them neutral, rational) to be voiced here, too, to be able to read people properly and unpresumptuously. But thanks for your kind disclaimer, anyway.
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Old 23.03.2020, 13:59
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One of the things I was thinking about in the last few days: the virus crisis may be augmented by other events. Earthquake in Crotia, apparently no one died, but the health system got another problem https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/22/...nd-its-capital

Too much or too little rain falls, the earth shakes, and wars are still fought. These things happen and are not considered while assessing the risk of the virus crisis. A flood event that might be forgettable in different circumstances may become huge

PS. I have some job experience in risk assessment, I'm not affected that much by it emotionally. If you do, feel free to tell me to shut up.

Add to possible natural disasters that it's also a perfect opportunity for non-democratic movements to shape up the political scene in many places. Putin for instance is a big profiteer now.

As for your PS, no, you're right. OH and I are talking about this sort of stuff too. I wouldn't voice it here because people can get "upset", so as long as we keep it civil and allow the others some space to "think aloud" and we cut the ironies and the unnecessary nastiness, it is OK. You can have your opinion like everyone else here.
We need some compassion and respect for everyone, not only for a selected few. What goes around comes around.
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:27
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:36
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One of the things I was thinking about in the last few days: the virus crisis may be augmented by other events. Earthquake in Crotia, apparently no one died, but the health system got another problem https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/22/...nd-its-capital

Too much or too little rain falls, the earth shakes, and wars are still fought. These things happen and are not considered while assessing the risk of the virus crisis. A flood event that might be forgettable in different circumstances may become huge

PS. I have some job experience in risk assessment, I'm not affected that much by it emotionally. If you do, feel free to tell me to shut up.
Yes that's very true and something I hadn't thought of yet... pandemic + natural disaster would be the icing on the catastrophic cake. Lets hope nothing else happens in the badly affected areas, especially Italy.
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:45
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Perhaps some reassuring news? The virus seems to spread more slowly in hotter and more humid countries according to this information. Perhaps summer will be our saviour?

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...20557240401921
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Keep in mind there's a whole hemisphere ready to head into winter soon. Australia and NZ already have cases and are trying to lock things down to slow it, but if this really is a case of cold vs. hot temps they're in for a long winter.
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Keep in mind there's a whole hemisphere ready to head into winter soon. Australia and NZ already have cases and are trying to lock things down to slow it, but if this really is a case of cold vs. hot temps they're in for a long winter.
And unless we get a grip on things, it is our turn again after that.
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:58
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Countries can’t simply lock down their societies to defeat coronavirus, the World Health Organization’s top emergency expert said on Sunday, adding that public health measures are needed to avoid a resurgence of the virus later on.


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So...maybe Sweden, Netherlands and UK are doing a right thing after all?
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Old 23.03.2020, 15:06
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Looks unlikely. Seems to spreading in Australia quite happily, also in the likes of Thailand, Malaysia Brazil...all further back on the curve than us but look like heading in the same direction unfortunately.
We shall see. It will be interesting to see what happens in NZ with Jacinda Ardern taking early action.

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The only "hot" country that is managing it quite well (and only recently got more "imported cases") is Singapore, which, while not locking down, has a rather sophisticated strategy...
My partner's colleagues in Singapore are working from home for 6mths.
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Old 23.03.2020, 15:16
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2190FM

So...maybe Sweden, Netherlands and UK are doing a right thing after all?

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The article says that lockdown measures aren't enough on their own, and not that they are unnecessary.
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