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Old 23.03.2020, 18:33
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And the arse hole woman Stadtpräsidentin Zürich Corine Mauch has not said one word to the Corana thing. She's only good for dinner parties etc
Darn! I missed that!

Everybody able to talk about other stuff than Corona gets points with me these days.
Some people seem to think they can "talk it away".
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:33
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@lost_inbroad: since when the method to count the sick changed in CH?

Not really possible to compare Italy and Switzerland in infections per capita. Switzerland is small (~8.5 million) and basically all cantons are affected. Italy is ~60 million and only the regions in the north of Italy are heavily affected. So, the large population of Italy may mask what happens in a smaller region.
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You need to isolate yourself and not go out if you are in a risk group. Nobody else can do it for you.
Use this time as a time of regeneration. It does not come very often. Go somewhere where there are no people and enjoy. Get in a train at 6am and go somewhere in the mountains or on the lakes. Nobody else can do it for you!
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I just read the daily updated stats provided by the Swiss BAG/OFSP for 23.03.2020. https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/fr/home...tml#1164290551

The incidence is almost the same for 20 and 70 years old. Mortality may be lower, but the young get sick at the same rate as the old.

On the bright side, it might be possible that the number of new cases is going down. Hope it's not just a weekend effect where less samples are taken. Data will be more robust tomorrow and by the end of this week it may be possible to say if the contagion rate has stabilized or even reduced.

If you look at the slope of the line in the logarithmic graph, it does seem to be decreasing. I haven‘t computed anything, just eyeballed the graph. But time will tell.
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You need to isolate yourself and not go out if you are in a risk group. Nobody else can do it for you.
Isolate? How am I to isolate myself from my family and the kids, lock myself in a room? And not go shopping for food, etc.? So all 50+ should do it, seriously? For how long, weeks, months? And all while my teenagers are free to roam the public places and bring the virus home?
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:39
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Use this time as a time of regeneration. It does not come very often. Go somewhere where there are no people and enjoy. Get in a train at 6am and go somewhere in the mountains or on the lakes. Nobody else can do it for you!

Nice idea, only I have to work..... from home
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:43
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Isolate? How am I to isolate myself from my family and the kids, lock myself in a room? And not go shopping for food, etc.? So all 50+ should do it, seriously? For how long, weeks, months?
Go for a walk in the mountains with wife and kids. And forget about this corona thing for a while!
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:44
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@lost_inbroad: since when the method to count the sick changed in CH?

Not really possible to compare Italy and Switzerland in infections per capita. Switzerland is small (~8.5 million) and basically all cantons are affected. Italy is ~60 million and only the regions in the north of Italy are heavily affected. So, the large population of Italy may mask what happens in a smaller region.
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Use this time as a time of regeneration. It does not come very often. Go somewhere where there are no people and enjoy. Get in a train at 6am and go somewhere in the mountains or on the lakes. Nobody else can do it for you!
That's precisely what you're not supposed to do! You're supposed to stay at home.
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:45
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Isolate? How am I to isolate myself from my family and the kids, lock myself in a room? And not go shopping for food, etc.? So all 50+ should do it, seriously? For how long, weeks, months? And all while my teenagers are free to roam the public places and bring the virus home?
Are you in a risk group or anybody close to you?
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:48
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That's precisely what you're not supposed to do! You're supposed to stay at home.
Do you really think that if you get in the car and drive to somewhere where there are no people and go for a walk then its a danger to someone? Get a life for gods sake!
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:50
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You need to isolate yourself and not go out if you are in a risk group. Nobody else can do it for you.
You misread my post it seems. I meant we need the government to protect us by protecting the health system from the tsunami of infections spread by those who don't give a fiddler's fart.
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You misread my post it seems. I meant we need the government to protect us by protecting the health system from the tsunami of infections spread by those who don't give a fiddler's fart.
WE dont need any government to protect us! I am responsible for what happens in my life and you should also be.
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:52
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How does that work? If people who are vulnerable get in contact with you ...how is that your responsibility?
How can vulnerable people get in contact with you when you are sitting at home?

If you ignore the advice, leave your home and contact vulnerable people then you are definitely 100% responsible.
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Old 23.03.2020, 18:53
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Go for a walk in the mountains with wife and kids. And forget about this corona thing for a while!
Last time I checked today was Monday and I was working from home. Just sent an invoice to a client half an hour ago. I'm working on an offer to another client, will send tomorrow or Wednesday the latest.

Someone has to generate income for the business to keep paying taxes
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How can vulnerable people get in contact with you when you are sitting at home?

If you ignore the advice, leave your home and contact vulnerable people then you are definitely 100% responsible.

Getting on my velo and going into the forest I dont contact anyone. If you want to contact people thats your fault. And what is that " vulnerable people "? WE are all vulnerable!
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Last time I checked today was Monday and I was working from home. Just sent an invoice to a client half an hour ago. I'm working on an offer to another client, will send tomorrow or Wednesday the latest.

Someone has to generate income for the business to keep paying taxes
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:04
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Do you really think that if you get in the car and drive to somewhere where there are no people and go for a walk then its a danger to someone? Get a life for gods sake!
Let's see, I live in an apartment complex with 6 units. The path to the parking garage in order to access my vehicle has 4 doors. The access to the parking garage is shared with 6 other apartment complexes with at least 6 units each. Just think of the potential of either spreading or being infected on the way to the mod mobile. I'll stay put, unless I really need to leave the comfort of my home.

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Are you in a risk group or anybody close to you?
Look, I'm not talking about me personally, but about all 50+ aged people in Europe. We were discussing the idea that the government recommends self-isolating to the vulnerable and no restrictions for the rest. For months. The government decides who is vulnerable (most likely 65+ and those with illnesses).

All I'm saying is there are big problems with this. For example, a lot of old people will not be able to properly isolate themselves for months, and we 50+ aged people are not old but are vulnerable to considerable degree too, so where do we fit in this scheme? There are a lot of us.
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and we 50+ aged people are not old but are vulnerable to considerable degree too, so where do we fit in this scheme? There are a lot of us.

Word on the street is, self isolate.
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:16
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I just read the daily updated stats provided by the Swiss BAG/OFSP for 23.03.2020. https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/fr/home...tml#1164290551

The incidence is almost the same for 20 and 70 years old. Mortality may be lower, but the young get sick at the same rate as the old.

On the bright side, it might be possible that the number of new cases is going down. Hope it's not just a weekend effect where less samples are taken. Data will be more robust tomorrow and by the end of this week it may be possible to say if the contagion rate has stabilized or even reduced.

I would be cautious about drawing any conclusions from these numbers because I have little confidence in their accuracy. The reason is they are all over the place!
The overall shape of the graph does not look anything like the summary graphs from "worldometers" and there is no reason for Switzerland to be significantly different.
It was posted here earlier that the Swiss have problems recording and collating the numbers.
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