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Old 24.03.2020, 11:08
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Which rules are you referring to?

The only recommendation from Swiss government at this time is 65+ and vulnerable groups needs to stay home.

Everybody else unless they can work from home - they need to keep on working

So every time I am out working and see geezers parading on the sun - they put themselves in danger

Well, not exactly rules but recommendations https://foph-coronavirus.ch/



As you can read, work related displacements are only a part of the issue.

I also see the seniors strolling as a bit ungrateful. We, the younger, are stopping the whole thing to save them and they keep going to the same places. There's a hill with a nice view to the valley close to my apartment, behind my window I see them going up every day to gather together in the same place. It's OK to go out for a walk, but these days it's preferable to walk the less popular trails (personal responsibility).

Fortunately, it's just a minority. The building where I live is full of elder people and I have not seen them for a while. I doing home office next to the window, so I'm sure of that =)

The only rules in place I think are:

1) restrictions to border crossing
2) closure of restaurants, bars, coiffures and other business
3) assembly of more than 5 people,100 CHF fine (except families of more than 5 when staying inside their home)
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Geezers is insulting and inappropriate. The ageism on this forum and in this thread in particular is really disgusting and tiresome.
Depends very much if V__ is British or US

''Geezer is a slang term for an old man. In the US, the term typically refers to a cranky old man. In the US, it can carry the connotation of either age or eccentricity; see fuddy-duddy. In the UK it is synonymous with the US "Dude". It is in no way derogatory.''

in the UK, people would add 'old' in front of 'geezer' - if they want to describe an older person. And a geezer, old or otherwise, could not be sitting on a bench on his fanny either.
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Geezers is insulting and inappropriate.

Not sure about that.
Geezers is equivalent to saying blokes.
It's not an insult, just slang.
He didn't even say 'old geezers'.
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Depends very much if V__ is British or US

''Geezer is a slang term for an old man. In the US, the term typically refers to a cranky old man. In the US, it can carry the connotation of either age or eccentricity; see fuddy-duddy. In the UK it is synonymous with the US "Dude". It is in no way derogatory.''

in the UK, people would add 'old' in front of 'geezer' - if they want to describe an older person.
Odile, the tone is insulting, i don‘t give a crap where V is from. I‘m unamused.

And all you young folks, don‘t think of yourselves as trying to save the old folk. Think of it as saving resources for your age group. Maybe then we can move on.
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Old 24.03.2020, 11:18
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Re: Coronavirus

Guys can we please stay on topic otherwise I will have to start deleting posts. thanks
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Re: Coronavirus

Question for those who are more medically minded than me:

I want to bake/cook for friends who are not quite feeling up to it themselves; I would of course send the food over in sterilized sealed containers, left on doorsteps.

But it just hit me: What is the danger of transmission via food from my kitchen? I am healthy... as far as I know. But without testing no one really can know.

So - delivering home cooked food: Good or bad idea?

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Old 24.03.2020, 11:33
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So - delivering home cooked food: Good or bad idea?

Good idea, good for the soul.
Cooking will kill any bugs anyway.
Maybe container then double bag it, then on delivery remove the outer bag.
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Old 24.03.2020, 11:33
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Re: Coronavirus

Apparently, some hospitals are now asking people to make masks for them. In case anyone out there is at home with not much else to do and has a sewing machine and some old fabric (or old clothes, pillow cases, duvet covers, etc. -- just wash them first) lying around and feels like helping out, you could contact your nearby hospital to see if they are interested in having some made and donated. There are some good tutorials on youtube, and the masks are quite easy to make. Just something to do to try to help the situation in the ways we can...

Hospitals and medical centers are beginning to ask for help on their websites, for donated home-made masks:

https://www.vumc.org/coronavirus/how...ewn-face-masks

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt-...RSVTagX168kBP/

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...us-crisis.html

Also, please do not try to initiate me in an argument about how effective or ineffective these masks are, because it's a waste of time. If they were ineffective, hospitals wouldn't be asking for them. And I'd rather be making masks than arguing about them.

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Old 24.03.2020, 11:40
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When we realised it was as for mortality actually milder than the normal seasonal flu and also it was first diagnosed in March but in August vaccins already were widely distributed....

...Swine-flu is highly overrated.
I only knew two people diagnosed with swine flu. They were sisters who I worked with and one of them was pregnant with twins at the time, so there was considerably moe care taken with her particular case, but everything worked out fine.

As for Covid-19, one of my friends in the UK has been in self-isolation for 4 weeks already as her younger daughter has Cystic Fibrosis and the common cold has been enough to put her in hospital quite a few times. They received the letter this morning advising that they remain in isolation until mid July. Luckily for them, my friend's business is working from home making arts and crafts items for gift shops, so she's well equiped to keep her girls occupied, and her husband is an architect so again, more than capable of sitting this out.
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Old 24.03.2020, 12:12
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The only rules in place I think are:

1) restrictions to border crossing
2) closure of restaurants, bars, coiffures and other business
3) assembly of more than 5 people,100 CHF fine (except families of more than 5 when staying inside their home)
The more than 5 rule applies only in public places. (I think that's what you meant, but not sure).
4) In public places, keep a distance of 2m if gathered in non-household groups of 5 or less.

I'll continue to enjoy the sun and stay well away from people. And when it rains, I'll go out in that as well. Exercise is important.

I think the reason the recommendations don't include going out for exercise is to prevent the hard-of-thinking from using it as an excuse to "gather". In the UK and France it is permitted. If it becomes against the law, than naturally I shall obey it.

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I only knew two people diagnosed with swine flu.
I got it. Just felt like normal 'flu. Don't recall any quarantine measures.
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Old 24.03.2020, 12:13
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I only knew two people diagnosed with swine flu. They were sisters who I worked with and one of them was pregnant with twins at the time, so there was considerably moe care taken with her particular case, but everything worked out fine.

As for Covid-19, one of my friends in the UK has been in self-isolation for 4 weeks already as her younger daughter has Cystic Fibrosis and the common cold has been enough to put her in hospital quite a few times. They received the letter this morning advising that they remain in isolation until mid July. Luckily for them, my friend's business is working from home making arts and crafts items for gift shops, so she's well equiped to keep her girls occupied, and her husband is an architect so again, more than capable of sitting this out.
I caught the swine flu about 10 years ago when it was going round. It was a rough flu, but nothing too bad in the end. Knew a lot of people that caught it on campus, but never heard of any complications. A few of my work-group have caught COVID-19, and they've said its been a miserable, very painful experience but they've got through it now.
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Old 24.03.2020, 12:17
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Re: Coronavirus

Theo Usherwood is LBC's political editor (London based Talk radio station) and he caught COVID-19 a fortnight ago.
He speaks powerfully about his treatment and the reason for isolation.

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When will these measures actually be lifted?

If you think it is safe but miss 5 cases, you can have a whole new pandemic.

Wouldn't it be better to just let it happen and get it over with, as it's out of control anyway? I'm more and more thinking that this is better than living in fear and destroying the economy.
You just need to keep the infection rate below 1. You don't need perfection. So we can relax things somewhat as China has done.
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Old 24.03.2020, 13:42
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But it just hit me: What is the danger of transmission via food from my kitchen? I am healthy... as far as I know. But without testing no one really can know.

So - delivering home cooked food: Good or bad idea?
Also not medically minded or qualified.
Watched Dr Sarah Jarvis on UK tv this morning, and have watched quite a few other Drs on tv this past few weeks. I've repeatedly heard that the virus isn't transmitted via cooked food, but what Dr.Sarah said this morning is:
-the virus can live for up to 3 days on average on glass, metal and hard plastic.
- the notable exception to this is copper. Tests so far have show the virus cannot survive on copper. As you likely know, copper poisoning can occur from eating acidic foods cooked in uncoated copper cookware.
- it can live for up to 1 day on cardboard.

That's your predicament.
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Apparently, some hospitals are now asking people to make masks for them. In case anyone out there is at home with not much else to do and has a sewing machine and some old fabric (or old clothes, pillow cases, duvet covers, etc. -- just wash them first) lying around and feels like helping out, you could contact your nearby hospital to see if they are interested in having some made and donated. There are some good tutorials on youtube, and the masks are quite easy to make. Just something to do to try to help the situation in the ways we can...


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Pancakes, do you know if any hospital in Switzerland is asking for something similar?
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Re: Coronavirus

Another Federal press conference announced for 14h today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGP...ture=emb_title

And VD has announced one for Wed. 25 at 16h.
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Re: Coronavirus

Spain is now the worst affected country in Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52020060
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Spain is now the worst affected country in Europe.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52020060
The article says Spain is the worst affected country in Europe after Italy so Italy is still in top spot.
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Old 24.03.2020, 14:25
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Another Federal press conference announced for 14h today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGP...ture=emb_title

And VD has announced one for Wed. 25 at 16h.
I doubt they will be telling us how happy they are with our social distancing efforts
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