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Re: Coronavirus

Trade with China has basically stopped. Industrial production is maybe at 20% in China (judging by pollution-levels).

Likely, we will see an increase in prices for synthetic drugs/opiods like Fentanyl because China produces both the drug and the ingredients.

There's no way this is going to end well.
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Old 17.02.2020, 08:07
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Trade with China has basically stopped. Industrial production is maybe at 20% in China (judging by pollution-levels).

Likely, we will see an increase in prices for synthetic drugs/opiods like Fentanyl because China produces both the drug and the ingredients.

There's no way this is going to end well.
I am really wondering whether I should wear a mask when I use Apple products. They are 100% made in China!
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Old 17.02.2020, 09:20
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You definitely should.
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You definitely should.
....and a tinfoil hat, it goes well with that mask.
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Old 17.02.2020, 09:39
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Re: Coronavirus

It's really amazing how nature works to establish a balance. Coronavirus,no cars,no work,no pollution. Sometimes I really think that there is some in intelligence in Natures workings
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Re: Coronavirus

Japan has shrunk by 6.3% in Q4. If nothing else I believe this Coronavirus will have enormous worldwide economic consequences.
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It's really amazing how nature works to establish a balance. Coronavirus,no cars,no work,no pollution. Sometimes I really think that there is some in intelligence in Natures workings
And yet there are people like you and that theory is blown to hell.
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Re: Coronavirus

Cruiseship Diamond Princess has 99 new confirmed infections bringing the total to about 450.

The Holland America Line Westerdam which currently is in Cambodja has one confirmed infection, however since they thought the ship was clear a nice bunch of people already are back in their own countries.

Japan has cancelled the festivities around the birthday of emperor Naruhito and the marathon of Tokio which normally has around 38.000 runners will only see professional runners this year since all recreational runners are banned from the event due to fear of infection.

I wonder when they will declare the olympics to be cancelled/postponed. Sure it is a long time till July, but more and more qualification matches in many sports are being cancelled, and previous expectations where about a million visitors per day towards Tokyo for the games, if in that crowd only a few infected people appear it could become a disaster. If the disease has not been beaten by then, I also wonder how many athletes or countries will simply refuse to participate.
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Old 17.02.2020, 13:47
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Re: Coronavirus

In the meantime, I've worn my bra as a face mask at the current fasnacht festivals. It may not stop the virus but it does make people smile.
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Old 17.02.2020, 14:20
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Cruiseship Diamond Princess has 99 new confirmed infections bringing the total to about 450.

The Holland America Line Westerdam which currently is in Cambodja has one confirmed infection, however since they thought the ship was clear a nice bunch of people already are back in their own countries.

Japan has cancelled the festivities around the birthday of emperor Naruhito and the marathon of Tokio which normally has around 38.000 runners will only see professional runners this year since all recreational runners are banned from the event due to fear of infection.

I wonder when they will declare the olympics to be cancelled/postponed. Sure it is a long time till July, but more and more qualification matches in many sports are being cancelled, and previous expectations where about a million visitors per day towards Tokyo for the games, if in that crowd only a few infected people appear it could become a disaster. If the disease has not been beaten by then, I also wonder how many athletes or countries will simply refuse to participate.
These quarantine ships are a horror story. People confined to their cabins which are little larger than prison cells for weeks on end. I hope they are allowed out for some exercise?
Meanwhile, the number of new cases are inexorably rising.
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Old 17.02.2020, 15:25
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Re: Coronavirus

Flying back from Heathrow yesterday was amused by a small family group on our flight. Dad had a face mask, 8 year kid had a face mask and plastic gloves, Mom had mask and gloves and baby in buggy had only a dummy! Kid hated mask and kept taking it off, Mom kept putting it back on kid, while touching her mask repeatedly with her gloved hands.

The world has gone insane!
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These quarantine ships are a horror story. People confined to their cabins which are little larger than prison cells for weeks on end. I hope they are allowed out for some exercise?
Meanwhile, the number of new cases are inexorably rising.
They are allowed certain times on deck while wearing some protective gear. (I assume this is done in groups)

Tho given the numbers and contineous spreading. I'd say just give me some weeks worth of microwave and canned food, a microwave and an XboX with internet and keep my door closed unless the ship sinks.
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Old 17.02.2020, 15:32
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Re: Coronavirus

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If you've had the Coronavirus already, are you immune to it thereafter?
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Flying back from Heathrow yesterday was amused by a small family group on our flight. Dad had a face mask, 8 year kid had a face mask and plastic gloves, Mom had mask and gloves and baby in buggy had only a dummy! Kid hated mask and kept taking it off, Mom kept putting it back on kid, while touching her mask repeatedly with her gloved hands.

The world has gone insane!
Not really insane (not yet), but it is the uncertainty surrounding this whole thing, Chinese numbers are not to be trusted, there is actually little news in the media eventho a decent amount of earths population is kept in quarantine. I don't find it weird to wear a mouth cap on at least spots like airports.
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If you've had the Coronavirus already, are you immune to it thereafter?
Up to a certain level, it is like any other flu. You could get the same thing again, you could have enough anti-bodies build up to simple fight it off next time, and the virus like any other flu will keep on mutating meaning that your will have no anti-bodies and the whole thing starts all-over again.

The mutating part is what makes it sort of a race against the clock, just like the flu it is to be expected to go to "sleep" when summer comes around, only to mutate and pop-up again when next winter comes, so if we don't manage to take it out of society it might just become a yearly thing like the flu.
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Old 17.02.2020, 16:38
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Not really insane (not yet), but it is the uncertainty surrounding this whole thing, Chinese numbers are not to be trusted, there is actually little news in the media eventho a decent amount of earths population is kept in quarantine. I don't find it weird to wear a mouth cap on at least spots like airports.
If you are going to wear a face mask you need to know how to use them. They are single use, they are not to be touched, and everyone in your group should be wearing one (including the baby). Wearing plastic gloves may keep the bad bugs off your hands, but how do you avoid contaminating yourself when you take them off (or touch your face mask)?

These things are worse than useless, if they are not used properly. And they were not being used properly.

Wash your hands, wash your hands and don’t touch your face. And get a flu-shot, if you haven’t already. You are much more likely to die from the seasonal flu than from this virus.
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If you are going to wear a face mask you need to know how to use them. They are single use, they are not to be touched, and everyone in your group should be wearing one (including the baby). Wearing plastic gloves may keep the bad bugs off your hands, but how do you avoid contaminating yourself when you take them off (or touch your face mask)?
Ideally there would be an inner glove and an outer glove along with liberal amounts of disinfectant. A person could disinfect their outer gloves, use them to remove contaminated clothing, eye protection, mask, and lastly remove the inner gloves.

There are subtle variations in there depending on the environment and equipment, but the protocols are well established. It takes a lot of work, attention to detail, and practice to do it safely. And with Coronavirus experienced people are still getting infected using the highest levels of protection and equipment.

It's not a good situation.
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Old 18.02.2020, 09:18
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Re: Coronavirus

A new report from China (probably fake news) has some interesting conclusions.

Some of the conclusions reached include the following:
  • Some 80.9% of infections are classified as mild, 13.8% as severe and only 4.7% as critical.
  • The highest fatality rate is for people aged 80 and older, at 14.8%.
  • For children up to 9, there have been no fatalities and up to the age of 39, the death rate remains low at 0.2%. For the next age groups, the fatality rates increase gradually: For people in their 40s it is 0.4%, in their 50s it is 1.3%, in their 60s it is 3.6% and their 70s it is 8%.
  • Looking at the sex ratio, men are more likely to die (2.8%) than women (1.7%).
  • Identifying which existing illnesses put patients at risk, the study finds cardiovascular disease at number one, followed by diabetes, chronic respiratory disease and hypertension
(Source BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world...china-51540981)

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Old 18.02.2020, 10:24
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Re: Coronavirus

@Bowlie
Similar information, probably from the same study.
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"It also appears that COVID-19 is not as deadly as other coronaviruses, including SARS and MERS," Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a media briefing with reporters Monday.
"More than 80% of patients have mild disease and will recover. In about 14% of cases, the virus causes severe diseases including pneumonia and shortness of breath.
And about 5% of patients have critical diseases including respiratory failure, septic shock and multiorgan failure," he said. "In 2% of reported cases, the virus is fatal, and the risk of death increases the older you are.
We see relatively few cases among children.
More research is needed to understand why."
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