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Prince Charles Tests Positive for Coronavirus

Breaking News - Prince Charles has tested positive for Coronavirus. Camilla does not have the virus. They are self-isolating in their home in Scotland.
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Re: Prince Charles Tests Positive for Coronavirus

Yeap, shocking. Prince Albert of Monaco got it too. Shocking.
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Re: Prince Charles Tests Positive for Coronavirus

The rich and the famous. They really have everything...
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Old 25.03.2020, 13:33
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Re: Prince Charles Tests Positive for Coronavirus

It makes you wonder what else they have..
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Old 25.03.2020, 13:35
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Let's split hairs.
So permanent lung damage isn't something serious for you? really?
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As a Canadian I hereby define Switzerland as a microstate since Canada has 8 islands bigger than Switzerland and 8 lakes bigger than the largest canton. Switzerland fits 22 times inside my province of origin which isn't even the largest province in Canada.

Aside from that coronavirus isn't an Olympic event where we need to crown gold, silver and bronze. It's enough to acknowledge that it is bad here at the moment while acknowledging it is objectively worse elsewhere (Spain, Italy, Iran) at the moment.
In Canada most population is concentrated along the border with US and it doesn't really matter how far provinces extend north. I would say it's more or less valid to compare spreading in Canada to spreading in Switzerland. City-states and Iceland (practically a city with a large empty backyard) are a different story.

In Italy and Spain it is worse at the moment because health system in some areas is not able to cope. We are ca. 2 weeks behind Italy and already now have same number of infections per million (I know, can't really trust the numbers, but...) and also 2 weeks ago Italy had ca. 10K cases, just like we have now, and the curve is the same - does it mean in two weeks we'll have 60K cases and what will it do to our health system (which is designed to take care of 7 times fewer people than in Italy)?
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That seems to depend on the Canton!

In Vaud, Coop has major issues with deliveries, and some aisles are empty. I visited several Coop around my place, and it was impossible to find milk or cleaning products.
Migros consists of ten regional corporations, let's call it a union of corporations (UoC). Some services such as logistics, backoffice and IT, and international trade, are provided by the UoC, it's also the owner of most daughter companies such as Migros Bank, Denner, etc.

Decisions on the operational level however are taken by the regional corporation. I would expect that the measures against the corona virus fall into this category so each corporation defines the coronavirus measures by itself.

For completess' sake, the regional corporations can act on their own and own daughter companies, just like the UoC does. The Genossenschaft Zürich for instance owns Activ Fitness (gyms), the Ospena Group (formerly known as Molino Group) (operator of the Molino pizzerias, among others), and quite a few more.

Coop used to have a very similar structure but got reorganised and much more centralised 10-20 years ago. From what I understand, essentially all decisions are taken by the UoC nowadays so you'll probably see the same measures at all Coop stores including its gas stations etc.
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Old 25.03.2020, 13:45
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Really very reassuring for anyone under 60 though.
I'm not getting all this hand wringing and drama.


If you're in a risk group, look out for yourself.
If you're not in a risk group, you're very, very, very likely to be ok if you are unfortunate enough to catch it.
Like > 99% likely to be ok.
Aside from statistics being the most common of lies these days,
the point is, even if one is young the risk of permanent life long damage to any of the organs is still there. True a young person has a better immune system but not all. If one is a diabetic or has Asthma or any kind of genetic disorder or disease, that person is at much higher risk. On top of that, even completely healthy young people with no known disorders are suddenly being killed by this virus. Yes! The young have a better chance. But they are also not completely out of the ball park. And no body really knows the long term permanent till now unforeseen affects that may linger.
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Besides, using the stuff you have in store is precisely the plan, you want to keep it in the "use by" range (though in most every case it's still good long after that date as long as the container is tight and not deformed). You just have to remember to refill in time, and if you do so at a reduced price you even save a bit.
We keep pasta, sauce jars, muesli and stuff there. Usually buying a few packs when on sale, to build up the buffer. Works nicely.
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Re: Coronavirus

Is Swiss Propaganda Research a respected source?

Thoughts from a Swiss doctor.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
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Aside from statistics being the most common of lies these days,
the point is,

The point is, I said:
Don't forget people, if you are healthy, you have to be in to your sixties before your chances of survival fall below 99%.
and on that point, I'm not wrong.
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In Canada most population is concentrated along the border with US and it doesn't really matter how far provinces extend north. I would say it's more or less valid to compare spreading in Canada to spreading in Switzerland. City-states and Iceland (practically a city with a large empty backyard) are a different story.

In Italy and Spain it is worse at the moment because health system in some areas is not able to cope. We are ca. 2 weeks behind Italy and already now have same number of infections per million (I know, can't really trust the numbers, but...) and also 2 weeks ago Italy had ca. 10K cases, just like we have now, and the curve is the same - does it mean in two weeks we'll have 60K cases and what will it do to our health system (which is designed to take care of 7 times fewer people than in Italy)?

If the current measures have no efficacy then yes Switzerland will eventually get to where Italy is now in terms of deaths per population. This measure is not dependent on how much testing is done in different countries.


In your rush to award coronavirus gold to Switzerland you also forget Luxembourg which has very similar population density to Switzerland
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Old 25.03.2020, 14:49
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Re: Coronavirus

Medical equipment intended for Switzerland blocked a second time by France and Germany, even after EU's instructions not to do it

https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/mater...story/26834179

Shall we ask masks from Putin?
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Re: Coronavirus

The Zürich Frauenhaus is closed for 9 days, after a positive test.

From a Tagi article:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/coronav...h-452644369922

If in need, one should still call the helpline for advice.

This info is not on the Frauenhaus website - don't know if that means things have changed, or they simply haven't updated the site. In any event, call.

This is worrisome, as with social isolation women in abusive relationships are at heightened risk.

Frauenhouse website:
https://www.frauenhaus-zhv.ch
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Medical equipment intended for Switzerland blocked a second time by France and Germany, even after EU's instructions not to do it

https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/mater...story/26834179

Shall we ask masks from Putin?

I'd choose masks without deadly nerve agents, but that's a personal preference
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This lockdown is starting to feel a lot like Christmas time.

What day is it? No idea!
Is it OK to still be in your pyjamas at 2pm? Sure!
Shall we eat some chocolate? Why not!
Too early for a drink? Go for it!
I wish it was like Xmas time. For teachers who have kids that also need assistance...it is 3 jobs at once. Sent files at 3am today, got upgrades 5 am, same for my kid. Juggling gadgets between us, while keeping the PE, arts and music going. ECRs cancelled in VD, it bugs me for kids who might need to resit in some ways. Anyways. Mo school.
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Surprised nobodies commented on this, or is it a given 'that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer' out
of this or any other crisis ?
Perhaps a lot of people have got greater concerns and more important things to do then indulge you.

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The point is, I said:
Don't forget people, if you are healthy, you have to be in to your sixties before your chances of survival fall below 99%.
and on that point, I'm not wrong.
Is that with or without intensive care and medicine?

It's an important distinction to make as many of the younger people (much younger than sixty, and fit and healthy) have had to rely on hospitals to get well.

They're going to be full soon and for a lot of people, popping a couple of paracetamol at home (if there are any left) is not going to provide a better outcome than being in hospital on a ventilator.
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Is Swiss Propaganda Research a respected source?

Thoughts from a Swiss doctor.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
I‘m very wary of all information and reports available online long before Covid-19. This website paints a very different and very positive view of the current outbreak rationalising it to be no more deadly than „common flu“.

Many links support this view - but clearly no negative points of view are discussed...
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The point is, I said:
Don't forget people, if you are healthy, you have to be in to your sixties before your chances of survival fall below 99%.
and on that point, I'm not wrong.
Let's do a mental exercise. 99% survival rate looks fine until you consider almost everyone will get sick at some point soon.

I care about my wife, 2 siblings, 5 close friends and 2 work colleagues. All 10 of them less than 60 YO and healthy. If all of them get sick, there's 1/10 chance of one them won't make it. Let's say I care about 20 young and healthy people in this world and all of them get sick. 1/5 chance one of them won't make it. Of course, there's also a chance people never gets sick in first place. But the consequences of a 99% survival rate on an illness almost everyone will have soon are not exactly reassuring.

All happy numbers above are assuming I only care about healthy people less than 60 YO. I'm lazy to do the math to estimate the probability of death of one family member or friend based on the currently calculated survival rates for their respective ages, but it is higher than the numbers above.

We're adults, no need to panic, it's not the end of the world, but consider that survivor guilt may a thing in a few months.
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Is Swiss Propaganda Research a respected source?

Thoughts from a Swiss doctor.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Articles that quote anonymous people and that falsely interpret sources are not to be taken serious imho.
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