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Old 26.03.2020, 15:37
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He's not the only one, but at this volume of media bull$hit and the irrational fear they are proliferating, I've decided it's not worth arguing with panicking and overly-dramatic human beings. 22k deaths over the past 5 months and we've basically closed the world. Once we wake-up with a massive hang-over it will all seem surreal and unbelievable. Oh, a hard recession, increased unemployment and increased taxes later that is.
Don't forget to pop back in a month's time to update your 22K figure.
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:38
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FYI - Some people are using condoms for finger protection when taking the lift.



OMG.... let's hope they don't re-use them for other purposes ewwwww
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He's not the only one, but at this volume of media bull$hit and the irrational fear they are proliferating, I've decided it's not worth arguing with panicking and overly-dramatic human beings. 22k deaths over the past 5 months and we've basically closed the world. Once we wake-up with a massive hang-over it will all seem surreal and unbelievable. Oh, a hard recession, increased unemployment and increased taxes later that is.
If it be a steady 22K per 5 months there indeed would be no need to lock up the world I fully agree on that, however numbers are still climbing and we've had 10K over the last 5 days of which 2390 yesterday.

Stating the numbers has nothing to do with panic.
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:39
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FYI - Some people are using condoms for finger protection when taking the lift.


Meh, I think I'll stick to using condoms in elevators with its original purpose. Thank you though.
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:40
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Don't forget to pop back in a month's time to update your 22K figure.
yep, it will be higher, sure. So what? Still more people died only yesterday from car accidents and nobody put a quarantine. But keep on worrying, i didn't mean to interrupt, apologies.
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:41
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He's not the only one, but at this volume of media bull$hit and the irrational fear they are proliferating, I've decided it's not worth arguing with panicking and overly-dramatic human beings. 22k deaths over the past 5 months and we've basically closed the world. Once we wake-up with a massive hang-over it will all seem surreal and unbelievable. Oh, a hard recession, increased unemployment and increased taxes later that is.
Everybody copes with fear and anxiety in different ways.

Some people love to panic and run in circles while screaming, if they're healthy it means the coping mechanism works. Some want to know more about the danger and still live their lives as normal as possible, if they stay healthy the coping mechanism works. Some others prefer to put the fear on a box and close it, while telling others fear is irrational, if they're still healthy the coping mechanism also works.

For me, the only people failing now are the ones who don't have a successful coping mechanism. The ones consumed slowly by stress, which by the way lowers immunity. If anxiety has now way out, sugar levels go up and blood pressure too, gastritis pierces your guts, mood decays, mental health issues might arise, self-destructive drinking takes the place of enjoying a wine bottle with your partner, drug consumption goes from recreational to addiction........if drama is a way to avoid bad health outcomes, welcome drama or any other harmless coping mechanism.

Being around here is one of my coping mechanisms, peace to all
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:48
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out of which 95%+ are 80+ years with at least two pre-existing conditions and didn't even die from the covid, but from complications from other diseases.

btw, it's funny, even the crooks from the WHO had to admit today things don't look that grim, so you can imagine what the real situation is

"Europe health official says 'encouraging signs' in coronavirus outbreak..."

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-26/...-passing-4000/
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yep, it will be higher, sure. So what? Still more people died only yesterday from car accidents and nobody put a quarantine. But keep on worrying, i didn't mean to interrupt, apologies.
One could also just look at Switzerland and conclude that we had 256 traffic deaths in 2016 (all traffic including public transport), and as for Corona we are at 171 in less than a month and still growing.

But sorry if this does not fit your narrative.
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out of which 95%+ are 80+ years with at least two pre-existing conditions and didn't even die from the covid, but from complications from other diseases.

btw, it's funny, even the crooks from the WHO had to admit today things don't look that grim, so you can imagine what the real situation is

"Europe health official says 'encouraging signs' in coronavirus outbreak..."

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-26/...-passing-4000/
Quick, somebody must inform the Swiss Government that it is all a hoax and we only had 8 deaths so far due to Corona.

Than what is it that causes those people to fill up our hospitals if it ain't Corona...
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:53
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One could also just look at Switzerland and conclude that we had 256 traffic deaths in 2016 (all traffic including public transport), and as for Corona we are at 171 in less than a month and still growing.

But sorry if this does not fit your narrative.
I have no narrative, you're missing my point. Keep on panicking, you're free to be as worried as you want to be
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Old 26.03.2020, 15:53
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Re: Coronavirus

In Switzerland, influenza is estimated to cause 1000 to 5000 hospitalisations and up to 1500 deaths each year

https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2019.20161
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Re: Coronavirus

The lead doctor in Germany has today advised everyone to wear a mask when leaving their home. He also advises to improvise and make own masks rather than use masks needed for medical workers.

I still remember when people laughed at me at the beginning of February when I said I'd bought two boxes of masks!
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I have no narrative, you're missing my point. Keep on panicking, you're free to be as worried as you want to be
I'm not panicking I'm stating numbers, but why do you want to downplay this so much, is it for yourself to avoid panicking? If you behold the truth and it is all just a big hoax do explain the governments, surely they would love to know such and cancel the restrictions...
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The lead doctor in Germany has today advised everyone to wear a mask when leaving their home. He also advises to improvise and make own masks rather than use masks needed for medical workers.

I still remember when people laughed at me at the beginning of February when I said I'd bought two boxes of masks!
I subscribe to the cycle helmet paradox. Not wearing a mask for my occasional trip to the shops means I am much more wary of keeping my distance, my paws away from my face and I disinfect them multiple times (shop, car, home).

But as always YMMV
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Old 26.03.2020, 16:20
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Keep on panicking, you're free to be as worried as you want to be
Between panicking and denial there is a very wide range of reactions. Someone thinking you are in denial does not indicate they are panicking.
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Old 26.03.2020, 16:23
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Re: Coronavirus

In view of the SAMS criteria about which Covid-19 patients should receive ICU treatment in case of resource saturation, it can be a good idea to specify your directives in advance.

Short and detailed versions of the forms can be downloaded in English, French and German here.

When I was rushed to hospital with myocardial infarction a couple of years ago, I was asked before the surgeon started operating whether I wanted them to take all possible measures to keep me alive, or to just let me slip away if things went wrong. I chose the first option and pulled through with only 25% of the heart dead, which means I can still lead a fairly normal life.

The idea of the written directive is that you can think about such a situation and its consequences in advance, and your choice is known even if you are incapacitated at the time when a decision has to be made. There are suggestions about how the form can be located when required.
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Old 26.03.2020, 16:35
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In view of the SAMS criteria about which Covid-19 patients should receive ICU treatment in case of resource saturation, it can be a good idea to specify your directives in advance.

Short and detailed versions of the forms can be downloaded in English, French and German here.

When I was rushed to hospital with myocardial infarction a couple of years ago, I was asked before the surgeon started operating whether I wanted them to take all possible measures to keep me alive, or to just let me slip away if things went wrong. I chose the first option and pulled through with only 25% of the heart dead, which means I can still lead a fairly normal life.

The idea of the written directive is that you can think about such a situation and its consequences in advance, and your choice is known even if you are incapacitated at the time when a decision has to be made. There are suggestions about how the form can be located when required.

Whilst we are at this topic, also consider getting a Patientenverfügung (patient instruction) in which you can write down what can and what cannot be done and a Vollmacht (PoA) so that someone near to you effectively can decide what to do - if necessary - acccording to your wishes.
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Old 26.03.2020, 16:36
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Millenials ae totally to blame. They travel so much around the world and take their infections everwhere they go
That's not because they are millenials. That's because the age they are now. When I was their age, I did exactly the same.
Maybe you took only one trip in your life - to Switzerland and got stuck.

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FYI - Some people are using condoms for finger protection when taking the lift.


So the next problem will be caused by lack of condoms. That would be HIV and/or more overpopulation.


Every time I return home from doing things that need to be done, I continuously sneeze, I got a got this thing in my throat I try to cough out and my eyes are itching.
And it's not corona, it's hey fever which either hits me badly this year or I react worse because I'm not allowed to let my body put up/get used to it.
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He's not the only one, but at this volume of media bull$hit and the irrational fear they are proliferating, I've decided it's not worth arguing with panicking and overly-dramatic human beings. 22k deaths over the past 5 months and we've basically closed the world. Once we wake-up with a massive hang-over it will all seem surreal and unbelievable. Oh, a hard recession, increased unemployment and increased taxes later that is.
The problem is not yet the number of deaths!

The problem with this virus is the huge number of people who will need hospital treatment.

If the spread of the virus is not controlled by closing the world then our hospitals will be overrun, sick people will not able to be treated and then the number of deaths will go through the roof.
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meanwhile, the Russian army (safely escorted by Fiat Puntos) in Italy: https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/sta...319147521?s=20

Yes, it is a PR stunt but would this have happened if the EU could manage and lead a crisis?
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