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Old 28.03.2020, 14:04
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The reason the medical staff are dying is virul overload.
It is obvious you meant being exposed a lot. I agree. And with the fact that if their protective gear is insuficient or not changed often enough (which is often the case, not sure if here but I know in the world it is the case), they get sick.

There was a nurse on local news, in her 20s and being interviewed through her cell who said that she cannot possibly point out when she could have gotten ill within the cca 10 days before the symptoms showed. She is used to h/c drill in term of protection. She asked people to stay in.
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:06
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The 21 year old girl with no precondition that died from Corona virus... Didn't die from Corona virus. She simply had a cough, so everybody suspected she died of Corona
The article you linked doesn't state that at all, only that she had not been tested for coronavirus and "had a natural cause of death." No autopsy performed.

Healthy 21 year old with no known med. conditions dies of heart attack. Happens all the time
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:09
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Re: Coronavirus

The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.

https://news.yahoo.com/oxford-study-...221100162.html
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:22
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Re: Coronavirus

I can see a stricter lockdown coming. The good weather has everyone out and mingling! My next door neighbors have a 5 year old displaying all the symptoms yet have her out playing with other kids. It’s not going to get any better until people start taking real responsibility
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:25
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The bigger pain today is the ruined European dream. If we don't have that, what do we have in Europe?
Former EU commission president Jacques Delors agrees with me:

"Lack of solidarity is a "deadly danger" for Europe"

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le...elors-20200328
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:26
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Re: Coronavirus

I guess that stomach problems are a commonly reported early symptom of the coronavirus. Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. -- and these are experienced before the fever sets in.

My friend and her family of five have all had some kind of (quote) "awful stomach bug" the past few days and yet have refused to quarantine themselves, even after I pointed out to her (via text) that stomach problems appear to be an early stage of the virus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/some...20-2?r=US&IR=T
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:33
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Former EU commission president Jacques Delors agrees with me:

"Lack of solidarity is a "deadly danger" for Europe"

https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le...elors-20200328
Nothing wrong replying to your own posts and as long as you youse 2 get along with each other, then all is well.

This being said, there was never such thing as the European dream. The lack of solidarity was always a deterrent factor and as long as the common mindset still allows for having a differentiation in passports and citizenship, there will never be such a thing as a European dream but rather the EU pipe dream. Look at how well Eastern European countries are handling the crisis and yet, they're the same people who struggle with acceptance within the aforementioned community.

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Old 28.03.2020, 14:46
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It is obvious you meant being exposed a lot. I agree. And with the fact that if their protective gear is insuficient or not changed often enough (which is often the case, not sure if here but I know in the world it is the case), they get sick.

There was a nurse on local news, in her 20s and being interviewed through her cell who said that she cannot possibly point out when she could have gotten ill within the cca 10 days before the symptoms showed. She is used to h/c drill in term of protection. She asked people to stay in.
This lag time really scares me - asymptomatic but potentially contagious for weeks beforehand...
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:47
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm wondering how people will handle moving over the next week - isn't 1 April one of the major moving days for Switzerland.

Have any movers cancelled? Are moving companies protecting their staff in any way (gloves, masks?)

If you're moving with help from friends, are you doing anything special in light of social distancing?
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Old 28.03.2020, 14:49
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Re: Coronavirus

just went shopping for food. saw entire families of covidiots crowding up on top of each other, no attempt on distancing from others, no masks. why not send ONE member of the family to go buy stuff?
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Old 28.03.2020, 15:02
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Re: Coronavirus

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I'm wondering how people will handle moving over the next week - isn't 1 April one of the major moving days for Switzerland.

Have any movers cancelled? Are moving companies protecting their staff in any way (gloves, masks?)

If you're moving with help from friends, are you doing anything special in light of social distancing?
Not in Geneva or Vaud. It’s a Swiss German thing, I think.
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The 21 year old girl with no precondition that died from Corona virus... Didn't die from Corona virus. She simply had a cough, so everybody suspected she died of Corona

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...vid-19-related
You seem to have significant comprehension problems. The article you quoted does not say that Chloe Middleton did not have COVID-19, nor that she didn't die from it. Nobody (except you) has said that. It says that she did not test positive for coronavirus, and that's because she wasn't tested at all for the virus.

Agreed, there should not have been any statement to the effect that she died of COVID-19 without proof, but conversely, absence of proof is not proof of absence.

ETA: I didn't see that Pilatus1 had already responded with essentially the same comments. This thread moves too fast...
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Old 28.03.2020, 15:18
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I'm wondering how people will handle moving over the next week - isn't 1 April one of the major moving days for Switzerland.
For the moment, it's going ahead as long as you abide by social distancing...

https://www.comparis.ch/immobilien/u...a-wohnen-umzug

In the link above, there are a few references to a 'sudden curfew'. Also, the gov are getting access to a 24hr window of Swisscom's data ...

Daniel Koch on observing mobile data:
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asked Swisscom to get data about the past (max 24h back & anonymous), to see if the restrictions of movement work or if there is still lots of social movement. #CoronaInfoCH
https://twitter.com/CoronaEnglish/st...62137733804037
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Old 28.03.2020, 15:18
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I'm wondering how people will handle moving over the next week - isn't 1 April one of the major moving days for Switzerland.

Have any movers cancelled? Are moving companies protecting their staff in any way (gloves, masks?)

If you're moving with help from friends, are you doing anything special in light of social distancing?
Friend of mine has a moving company in the NL. His people have protective gear and only move when the owners accept they cannot stay in the same room with them. He got his trucks equipped with microwaves etc so at least they can heat up something.
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I'm wondering how people will handle moving over the next week - isn't 1 April one of the major moving days for Switzerland.

Have any movers cancelled? Are moving companies protecting their staff in any way (gloves, masks?)

If you're moving with help from friends, are you doing anything special in light of social distancing?
We had keys to our new apartment since February 1 and moved mostly my boyfriend’s IKEA furniture from the old place by ourselves by the end of February. I have some heavy solid wood furniture and sofa at zebrabox self storage and my brother was supposed to come visit/help from Canada end of March to move it to the new apartment. But due to the current situation, he cancelled. We’ve debated on hiring movers but don’t want to risk being around people as I suffer from asthma. It is all in self storage and can be there till self isolation is over.
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just went shopping for food. saw entire families of covidiots crowding up on top of each other, no attempt on distancing from others, no masks. why not send ONE member of the family to go buy stuff?
Where was that? Which shopping centre was it in Zürich?

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Old 28.03.2020, 17:45
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Where was that?
Timbuktoo, I guess?
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Re: Coronavirus

I have a question from a curious Panda.

Just watching the BBC news with the new "Nightingale Hospital" ... AKA the old Excel conference centre in London. They are talking about at least 500 ICU beds with a possibility to scale up to 4000. And there's talk of creating the same set up in a number of other UK cities too.

I don't see any talk of this kind of hospital expansion in Switzerland. Who of you wise EFers knows why that may be?
Could it be have already plenty of beds in our hospitals and the NHS just didn't have the same set-up? Or there's a military operation ongoing which I missed, which is creating a bunch of additional field hospitals up a mountain somewhere? Or we are all going to get our own ICU personal pack delivered in the coming weeks so we can treat ourselves at home ?

Or we are somehow managing the pandemic differently here?

Any clarity welcome.

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Building a so called 'hospital' is all very nice- but how on earth will the UK staff it. Already a huge shortage or doctors and nurses for exisiting hospital. Are they going to use the 'volunteers' ?
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Old 28.03.2020, 18:26
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Healthy 21 year old with no known med. conditions dies of heart attack. Happens all the time
Happened to a coworker 12 years ago or so, though he was 27. And an athlete.

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