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Not peer-reviewed
The article also nowhere states that it can be airborne for hours, but what else would you expect from this poster.
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Old 28.03.2020, 21:24
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There is one military hospital, in Einsiedeln SZ. As I understandnd it, it is being readied to help in this crisis. Apparently the other military hospitals were done away with some years ago.

https://www.kog-sz.ch/143-gv-der-off...ft-einsiedeln/

Don't know of any other plans... but I would hope some kind of coordination, at least of existing facilities if not further expansion, is going on.

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A bit more here, from SRF:
https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/waru...demie-vorsorge
My son, who is doing his military service in the hospital corps, and who has been mobilised has heard rumblings that his troop may be sent to Einsiedeln after its current stint in hospitals and Old People's Homes. I think this was the plan before this crisis however.
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Old 28.03.2020, 21:33
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Re: Coronavirus

SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours), with a reduction in infectious titer from 103.5 to 102.7 TCID50 per liter of air. This reduction was similar to that observed with SARS-CoV-1, from 104.3 to 103.5 TCID50 per milliliter

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

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Old 28.03.2020, 21:55
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With regards to hospitals: the Swiss Federal Council has made provision for ordering private hospitals to admit patients irrespective of whether they have private insurance, should more beds become necessary. That is one measure to increase the total availabity.
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Old 28.03.2020, 22:01
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With regards to hospitals: the Swiss Federal Council has made provision for ordering private hospitals to admit patients irrespective of whether they have private insurance, should more beds become necessary. That is one measure to increase the total availabity.
I am assuming then that one's insurance status has no relevance in this situation.
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Old 28.03.2020, 22:05
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I am assuming then that one's insurance status has no relevance in this situation.
Ordinarily, by law, it is of great relevance. The new ruling of the Federal Council has scrapped that, so that, yes, patients, no matter their insurance status (and I presume even those without incurance at all, but I'm not sure of that), must be treated by private hospitals.

However, I am not sure whether this is already the case, or is as yet merely the demarkated potential, ruled by the Federal Council, which could then be put into action once they order it. I think it is still the latter.
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Old 28.03.2020, 22:47
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...It should have been done here with everyone coming from the so-called affected areas right from the start, but Switzerland didn't believe it can hit them too.
I arrived from Newark/New York a week ago to Zurich on a packed flight. I was not tested or asked any questions. Now NY is the hotspot of the world, and I would have thought someone from government would contact me to make sure I'm staying home. Nope.

It's not that hard to figure out who arrived via airplanes in the last few weeks and track them down...is it??
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Old 28.03.2020, 22:53
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A friend flew 1 week ago from the last flight out of Mumbai - no checks, nothing, when arriving at Gatwick (or Heathrow, not sure). Crazy.
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:14
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Corona virus claims the first royal death.

Princess Maria Teresa was 86 years old
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:20
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I arrived from Newark/New York a week ago to Zurich on a packed flight. I was not tested or asked any questions. Now NY is the hotspot of the world, and I would have thought someone from government would contact me to make sure I'm staying home. Nope.
Just out of curiosity - are you self-quarantining?
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:22
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Just out of curiosity - are you self-quarantining?
Heck yes. I consider myself to be a huge risk to others given where I came from a week ago. I didn't knowingly come into contact with an infected person but why take the risk?

Edit to be 100% honest - I did make 1 trip to work to pick up items so I could work from home, as the office closed while I was gone. I didn't touch anything except my own items (not even door handles since everything was propped open or the badge opens it for you). I didn't see another person in the building while there. I also stopped at Coop to buy dinner, but I only touched the paper from the dude at the door (after sanitizing my hands), the food I bought, and the touch screen at the self-checkout. Both the paper from the dude and the touch screen were promptly wiped down by a shop clerk before I had even gotten out the door.
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:27
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I arrived from Newark/New York a week ago to Zurich on a packed flight. I was not tested or asked any questions. Now NY is the hotspot of the world, and I would have thought someone from government would contact me to make sure I'm staying home. Nope.

It's not that hard to figure out who arrived via airplanes in the last few weeks and track them down...is it??
As you just proved, you know all that.
You are a resident (allowed to come home anytime), follow the advice.

If the government has to track each resident down due to their private movements - after giving specific advice again and again - they will never get done what they need to get done these days.

Or as the Swiss would say: "Do you need a personal invitation to follow advice/rules?"
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:31
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You will not be granted any influence on such spending decisions.
100% inheritance tax for the next 10 years would be a start.
Be nice to see the countries finally unite to pin down the behemouths like Amazon, Google, Facebook etc and end the stupid licensing dodges.
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Old 28.03.2020, 23:34
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As you just proved, you know all that.
You are a resident (allowed to come home anytime), follow the advice.

If the government has to track each resident down due to their private movements - after giving specific advice again and again - they will never get done what they need to get done these days.

Or as the Swiss would say: "Do you need a personal invitation to follow advice/rules?"
Sure, I know the rules and I'm following them. However, based on what I've seen on the news there are plenty of people who know the rules and are not following them, even people who have been exposed.

They didn't ask at the airport how long I'd been gone or where I'd been or if I'd been following the news. They didn't make any recommendations or orders to stay home. Surely at the very least the authorities should tell everyone arriving to stay home for 2 weeks, just to be on the safe side?

What if I'd just spent the past 2 weeks on a remote island with no TV or internet and didn't know what was going on? There are places in the world you can go like that, they seem very appealing right now.
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Old 29.03.2020, 00:04
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Frightening numbers now....
Over 10,000 dead in Italy, over 16,000 new cases today in the US pushing total to over 120,000.
Switzerland is still the major country with the highest number of cases per million population, ahead of Spain, Italy, &&&.
So far Switzerland has a relatively low number of deaths per million.

So where next for the world.....
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Old 29.03.2020, 00:06
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Sure, I know the rules and I'm following them. However, based on what I've seen on the news there are plenty of people who know the rules and are not following them, even people who have been exposed.

They didn't ask at the airport how long I'd been gone or where I'd been or if I'd been following the news. They didn't make any recommendations or orders to stay home. Surely at the very least the authorities should tell everyone arriving to stay home for 2 weeks, just to be on the safe side?

What if I'd just spent the past 2 weeks on a remote island with no TV or internet and didn't know what was going on? There are places in the world you can go like that, they seem very appealing right now.
As you are on your travels, and apparently have been since a while, can I ask you why you deleted my post(s) around 3 weeks ago (am in Switzerland, and speak the languages) where I informed non-German/French speaking EF members of what was happening? Your moderator comment for the Mod deletion was “You know why”.
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Old 29.03.2020, 00:35
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Frightening numbers now....
Over 10,000 dead in Italy, over 16,000 new cases today in the US pushing total to over 120,000.
Switzerland is still the major country with the highest number of cases per million population, ahead of Spain, Italy, &&&.
So far Switzerland has a relatively low number of deaths per million.

So where next for the world.....
I would expect the numbers to grow in the US given the large population there and they/the US have run more tests than other country. More tests equals more infections. I would focus more on mortality rates. Both Switzerland and the US are quite low presently and that assumes the given rate of those tested. In my view, there are many whom are asymptomatic and if so, those mortality rates are much lower.

Who knows what to think until they develop an antibody test and administer it widely? All else is conjecture until the CDC and WHO have this data. Let's hope that is sooner than later.
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Old 29.03.2020, 00:57
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SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours), with a reduction in infectious titer from 103.5 to 102.7 TCID50 per liter of air. This reduction was similar to that observed with SARS-CoV-1, from 104.3 to 103.5 TCID50 per milliliter

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973
Aerosol is not the same as airborne. The WHO specifically state the virus is not airborne.

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I arrived from Newark/New York a week ago to Zurich on a packed flight. I was not tested or asked any questions. Now NY is the hotspot of the world, and I would have thought someone from government would contact me to make sure I'm staying home. Nope.

It's not that hard to figure out who arrived via airplanes in the last few weeks and track them down...is it??
could be because the government is small, they simply don't have workers to contact ppl, etc. Normally small and efficient government is the good thing, but during nationwide crises I dunno. I wonder it they could try and organize tracking and testing, hire temp workers or smth, it's not like there's no money...
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Old 29.03.2020, 01:02
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could be because the government is small, they simply don't have workers to contact ppl, etc. Normally small and efficient government is the good thing, but during nationwide crises I dunno. I wonder it they could try and organize tracking and testing, hire temp workers or smth, it's not like there's no money...
As I stated in one of my earlier posts, there are meter Mollies doing their rounds in Zurich, there is a vast workforce currently sitting at home, thumb wrestling each other, just waiting to get back to work. If the government were half-way organized like people generally assume it were, then we wouldn't have had so many infected people. But when one assumes. . .
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