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Old 29.03.2020, 17:35
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Looking forwards.
I don't see why a lot of businesses, and I'm thinking many shops, the zoos, museums and a host of other places, cannot re-open presently.
I'm sure business would be booming, with people just dying to go to the zoo.
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Sweden's number still well below the average especially compared to its neighbors.

Anomaly?
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:38
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The less points of contact means the less people in hospital. Food supply is mandatory and not easily replaced by a truck handing out bowls of soup at your door.

And that is how simple it is.
Well that's just stating the bleedin' obvious.
However, the virus will not be eradicated, and we cannot stay like this for more than a few weeks.
Let's see how the return to normal is managed while the virus still stalking the elderly, because that's what needs to happen.
Maybe more draconian isolation for them, and managed risk for the less at risk (which is the vast majority of the population).
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:47
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Sweden's number still well below the average especially compared to its neighbors.

Anomaly?
Less testing? Mostly younger people in the denser city areas vs. other countries where it's more mixed through? A mix of both? If you don't feel sick, you simply don't get tested.. and for most young people, the virus doesn't really show that strongly..
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:48
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Looking forwards.
I don't see why a lot of businesses, and I'm thinking many shops, the zoos, museums and a host of other places, cannot re-open presently.

If supermarkets are a safe, or at least acceptable risk, with a 2m distance, then the other places should be the same, maybe add in compulsary free masks and gloves or sanitizer on entry.
Sooner or later the shutdown has to end, as the virus is not going to be eradicated, and a vaccine is not yet on the horizon.
Yes, I know we need food, and don't need to go to the zoo at the moment, but a return to 'normality' needs to/will happen before too muchh financial damage is inflicted.
Masks are one of the whole range of measures which, taken together, can help towards lowering the collective rate of infection.

The single most important of these measures is: stay at home, avoid contact. Others include: wash your hands as you cross the threshold, leave your shoes, jacket and bag at the door. Stay at least 2m away from the next human.

The point is not that supermarkets are safe. But that an exception is made for them to be open, despite the risks. This is allowed, with those extra levels of care, only because food is essential.

As to your idea of "free masks": that cannot be done, because there is currently a shortage of masks. Those that are available must be used sparingly, and reserved for the most critical places, such as hospitals.

Although slowly, the knowledge about masks, and the correct usage, is becoming more widely known.

This includes how to make home-made masks and - most importantly - the proper way to use them: how to put on, when to replace, how to remove from one's face, which parts to throw away and how to do that, how to wash the other parts.

And, of course, what a mask does and does not achieve. For more of the reasearch on this, please see Spaghetti's thread https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...tive-mask.html.
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:50
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Judging from how the EU has withheld our medical supplies, I'm not quite sure how to answer that.
Some months ago, the EU insisted that any free trade Brexit deal would require freedom of movement. Now there isn't even freedom of movement within the EU. I bet the Coronavirus is long forgotten by the time that the EU takes any action.
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Less testing? Mostly younger people in the denser city areas vs. other countries where it's more mixed through? A mix of both? If you don't feel sick, you simply don't get tested.. and for most young people, the virus doesn't really show that strongly..
Probably. But victim numbers are following the same trend compared to neighboring countries
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Well that's just stating the bleedin' obvious..
Maybe stop asking for bleedin' obvious answers if you don't like them.
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Old 29.03.2020, 17:54
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Re: Coronavirus

Early on: tsunami of infections in Lombardy.
Swiss government" "We can't possibly close the border with Italy, we need the 70000 daily commuters from Lombardy to work in Ticino businesses."
Me: "Are they crazy?"
Some weeks later: all businesses in Ticino closed, no need for workers. Switzerland has more infections per million than Italy.

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Old 29.03.2020, 17:59
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Some months ago, the EU insisted that any free trade Brexit deal would require freedom of movement. Now there isn't even freedom of movement within the EU. I bet the Coronavirus is long forgotten by the time that the EU takes any action.
It’s not the EU, it is individual member states.

And please Brexit is over, do we really have to bring it back here.
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:16
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Let's hope they unblock those masks and medical supplies they confiscated behind that imaginary line on a map
How can some coutries impose fines for people not wearing a proper face mask for being outside
to getting or doing their necessaries, eg food, prescription, walking the dog, etc where the same
countries ( and no doubt many others ) are suffering a nationwide shortage of proper face masks ?

I've heard from many friends and relations in Spain - they cannot get proper face masks,
anywhere for love or money after the lockdown !!
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:41
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Re: Coronavirus

Do you know anybody who has or had Corona virus ( including yourself ) ?
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Old 29.03.2020, 18:48
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Do you know anybody who has or had Corona virus ( including yourself ) ?
No, just colleagues of a friend and my sisters neighbour. Hope it doesn´t come closer.......
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Old 29.03.2020, 19:00
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Do you know anybody who has or had Corona virus ( including yourself ) ?
None, but I haven’t been out the door more than 3 times in two weeks. One of those was to the clinique in Genolier for a procedural. They were very quiet.
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Old 29.03.2020, 19:05
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...I've heard from many friends and relations in Spain - they cannot get proper face masks,...
Good job they don't need them then.
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Re: Coronavirus

Is anyone else starting to get a bit paranoid with the whole thing such as example:

Hearing some neighbor sneezing on hallway and then forgetting it and taking trash out myself 10min after that - possible corona infection

Picking up some parcels from the post and checking the confirmation from phone and then forgetting to disinfect the phone after coming home and using it while eating a sandwich - possible corona infection

Buying chewing-gum from kiosk while not wearing a mask and suddenly noticing how can smell the sales person perfume even thou there is 2m distance - possible corona infection

For f sake starting to get tired of this
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Old 29.03.2020, 19:07
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No, just colleagues of a friend and my sisters neighbour. Hope it doesn´t come closer.......
I think we really have to get used to the idea of getting it, sooner or later. Just not at once
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Old 29.03.2020, 19:10
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Another fact-free theory.
Maybe you would like to try to convince us by calculating the average number of seasonal flu deaths worldwide in 3 days and see how that compares with 10,000.
This at least is totally correct.
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I think we really have to get used to the idea of getting it, sooner or later. Just not at once
We can still live in hope it's mild or even symptomless.

I wonder if it's destiny is to be another childhood infection, like chickenpox.
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Do you know anybody who has or had Corona virus ( including yourself ) ?
None here in Switzerland and no close friends, but from my origin village in Italy where I grew up and where my mother lives:
- 1 classmate is in ICU
- 3 people I knew personally have died
- many more I only knew "by name" died
- various friends of friends infected but recovering
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