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Re: Coronavirus

Trump tactic. Says there will be at least 100,000 deaths in USA from CV. I'm sure it will be much less than that. But then Trump will come out after it's over and say " what a great job we did in keeping the numbers down! " And his cronies will clap and nod their heads. He is just playing with the fears of the people!

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Most victims are 70+. I imagine nobody 80+ and 90+ today in Italy is not allowed to die from natural causes.
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Re: Coronavirus

We need to think about getting people back to work.
Crazy I know, but there will be an element of risk to this.
I don't see we can wait for everyone to have the anti-body test to see who has already had it, though obviously that would be the ideal scenario, it's not happening anytime soon.

Personally I don't see why healthy people (those with no known issues and who do not fall into the vulnerable critera) under the age of 40 cannot go back to work. 40 to 50 same but can also see a doctor for a checkup if they have any concerns. At work, take reasonable precautions.

The old and vulnerable, lock 'em up, and give whatever resources (home delivery, cooked food, home visits, whatever) is necessary.
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Old 31.03.2020, 10:07
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We need to think about getting people back to work.
Crazy I know, but there will be an element of risk to this.
I don't see we can wait for everyone to have the anti-body test to see who has already had it, though obviously that would be the ideal scenario, it's not happening anytime soon.

Personally I don't see why healthy people (those with no known issues and who do not fall into the vulnerable critera) under the age of 40 cannot go back to work. 40 to 50 same but can also see a doctor for a checkup if they have any concerns. At work, take reasonable precautions.

The old and vulnerable, lock 'em up, and give whatever resources (home delivery, cooked food, home visits, whatever) is necessary.
It starts with the schools, then shops and customer facing roles and finally transitioning those that can easily work from home back to the office.

You also need to plan for a rolling wave of people going off sick as they pick up the virus. It may be the case that some friends and colleagues don't make it through. We have 500 on site, a couple could die

As crap as all this is, its slowing down the inevitable.
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Old 31.03.2020, 10:32
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Re: Coronavirus



Number of victims in Switzerland as of yesterday

2 deaths in th 30-39 age range
1 in the 40-49 age range
5-6 in th 50-59 age range
dozen in the 60-69 age range
and the majority of cases 100+ are in the 70-79 and 80+ age range

https://twitter.com/bag_ofsp_ufsp?lang=en

Still no sign of those young people intubated in Swiss hospitals that some EFers from the front lines were reporting about?
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Re: Coronavirus

Since Sweden was brought up earlier in this thread, and is good to be held up as a example since they are one of the very few countries following the idiotic Herd immunity method(https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...e-coronavirus/)
The fact that Sweden is just countinga a fracture of all the people and therefore it's numbers of infected people are so misguided and is getting more and more obvious. You just have to look at the death rate of Sweden and then count backwards, also have a look at the numbers of infected people in the countries next to Sweden in the charts.
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We need to think about getting people back to work.
Crazy I know, but there will be an element of risk to this.
I don't see we can wait for everyone to have the anti-body test to see who has already had it, though obviously that would be the ideal scenario, it's not happening anytime soon.

Personally I don't see why healthy people (those with no known issues and who do not fall into the vulnerable critera) under the age of 40 cannot go back to work. 40 to 50 same but can also see a doctor for a checkup if they have any concerns. At work, take reasonable precautions.

The old and vulnerable, lock 'em up, and give whatever resources (home delivery, cooked food, home visits, whatever) is necessary.
Hopefully we can get the anti-body tests going and getting some people back to work who need to be there ...

I just had a video-meeting an hour ago with a "healthy person, <40 years old, no known issues and not in the vulnerable criteria", they have been bed-ridden for the past two weeks with their partner (I posted about it before) on the verge of going to the hospital because of the pain and difficulty in breathing and now, after two weeks of suffering, they are finally beginning to feel better. Catching this thing has knocked them out of work for a minimum of 3 - 4 weeks with the onset of sickness, sickness and recovery. As mentioned before, this particular person had also lost a family member to the virus some weeks ago.

I do not want to catch this, I do not want my partner to catch this, and I do not want to spread this to the people I care about and those who may be endangered by my actions.

The problem is that this can be a serious illness, even for the young and strong. Considering that all our team managers are older, in the danger-zone and specialized in their work, even one of us getting it and passing it to them will significantly endanger our ability to work as a team. Right now, we can work from home safely and effectively, and I know this is not the case for everyone and we are fortunate, but I think we should start to reflect as a society and consider that maybe we don't all need to be at the office to get work done.
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Old 31.03.2020, 10:51
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I do not want to catch this, I do not want my partner to catch this, and I do not want to spread this to the people I care about and those who may be endangered by my actions.

That.



But still we are forced to come into work 50%..........
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Old 31.03.2020, 10:55
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Since Sweden was brought up earlier in this thread, and is good to be held up as a example since they are one of the very few countries following the idiotic Herd immunity method(https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...e-coronavirus/)
The fact that Sweden is just countinga a fracture of all the people and therefore it's numbers of infected people are so misguided and is getting more and more obvious. You just have to look at the death rate of Sweden and then count backwards, also have a look at the numbers of infected people in the countries next to Sweden in the charts.
Based on the hope that there is immunity. Currently, there is nothing known about immunity to this virus; is it a strong or partial immunity and how long does it last.
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Still no sign of those young people intubated in Swiss hospitals that some EFers from the front lines were reporting about?
No? So there aren't 121 40-49 year olds in holpital right now? Or 151 under 40s?

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/coro...tionstaktik-um
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We need to think about getting people back to work.
Crazy I know, but there will be an element of risk to this.
I don't see we can wait for everyone to have the anti-body test to see who has already had it, though obviously that would be the ideal scenario, it's not happening anytime soon.

Personally I don't see why healthy people (those with no known issues and who do not fall into the vulnerable critera) under the age of 40 cannot go back to work. 40 to 50 same but can also see a doctor for a checkup if they have any concerns. At work, take reasonable precautions.

The old and vulnerable, lock 'em up, and give whatever resources (home delivery, cooked food, home visits, whatever) is necessary.
I think the majority of people is working, some from home, others still in their shops keeping the 2m distance.

I'm working from home. I just went earlier this morning to get the summer tires installed in my car. The dealership is open for maintenance, repairs and virtual demonstrations of the cars (videocall). I drove by the construction site of a new building for the Aarau hospital and they're working. The Frey chocolate factory is running, some evenings the aroma of roasted cocoa beans reaches home. Farmers are fine. I have the fresh smell of manure every time I open the balcony window
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Old 31.03.2020, 11:01
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Trump tactic. Says there will be at least 100,000 deaths in USA from CV. I'm sure it will be much less than that. But then Trump will come out after it's over and say " what a great job we did in keeping the numbers down! " And his cronies will clap and nod their heads. He is just playing with the fears of the people!
Forecast 3,000 dead in NY, now if there is the same in every one of the 50 States....

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Old 31.03.2020, 11:10
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No? So there aren't 121 40-49 year olds in holpital right now? Or 151 under 40s?

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/coro...tionstaktik-um
They are hospitalized. Enormous chances that they will be just fine.

In Italy, out of 11000 victims:

2 were in the 0-29 age range
20 in the 30-39

So 22 young victims in 11000.... Probably many more died from stupidity and natural causes since January in this age range rather than corona
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Since Sweden was brought up earlier in this thread, and is good to be held up as a example since they are one of the very few countries following the idiotic Herd immunity method(https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...e-coronavirus/)
The fact that Sweden is just countinga a fracture of all the people and therefore it's numbers of infected people are so misguided and is getting more and more obvious. You just have to look at the death rate of Sweden and then count backwards, also have a look at the numbers of infected people in the countries next to Sweden in the charts.
Sweden has 14 deaths per 1M, Denmark has 13, Switzerland has 41

It seems they are doing just fine
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I think the majority of people is working, some from home, others still in their shops keeping the 2m distance.

I'm working from home. I just went earlier this morning to get the summer tires installed in my car. The dealership is open for maintenance, repairs and virtual demonstrations of the cars (videocall). I drove by the construction site of a new building for the Aarau hospital and they're working. The Frey chocolate factory is running, some evenings the aroma of roasted cocoa beans reaches home. Farmers are fine. I have the fresh smell of manure every time I open the balcony window
Interesting to get news from outside home.

Is it not early for summer tires when they are forecasting -3C/-4C tomorrow night? Usually change mine after Easter.
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https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/coro...tionstaktik-um
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We need to think about getting people back to work.
Crazy I know, but there will be an element of risk to this.
I don't see we can wait for everyone to have the anti-body test to see who has already had it, though obviously that would be the ideal scenario, it's not happening anytime soon.

Personally I don't see why healthy people (those with no known issues and who do not fall into the vulnerable critera) under the age of 40 cannot go back to work. 40 to 50 same but can also see a doctor for a checkup if they have any concerns. At work, take reasonable precautions.

The old and vulnerable, lock 'em up, and give whatever resources (home delivery, cooked food, home visits, whatever) is necessary.
Reminds me of first world war generals; "send some more troops over the top to their deaths".

Even Trump is backing off from this dangerous tactic.
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Re: Coronavirus

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World Health Organization officials Monday said they still recommend people not wear face masks unless they are sick with Covid-19 or caring for someone who is sick.

"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit.
In fact, there's some evidence to suggest the opposite in the misuse of wearing a mask properly or fitting it properly," Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO health emergencies program, said at a media briefing in Geneva, Switzerland, on Monday.
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Interesting to get news from outside home.

Is it not early for summer tires when they are forecasting -3C/-4C tomorrow night? Usually change mine after Easter.
It is a bit early, but the whole month of April was already fully reserved to make an appointment to change tires. Anyway, morning frost is not a worry when not driving to work and ski resorts are closed.
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