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Alot of people love throwing numbers and statistics around. Does that give some sort of security?
It's not a lot. Only about 16% of people do that.
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Old 01.04.2020, 20:58
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No but maybe they feel more in control of the uknown?
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Alot of people love throwing numbers and statistics around. Does that give some sort of security?
Restrictions and governmental policies are based on numbers, so regardless of what you think of them they are important and do tell us a lot.
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Yes, I'm guilty and feeling safe
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At least you own up to it
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Re: Coronavirus

https://www.ft.com/content/e3737752-...2-e7df9eb9f6f8

British American Tobacco, a subsidiary of BAT Industries, seems to be making some progress in the search for a vaccine. I used to work in their London Head Office many years ago. The company has some pretty good research facilities.
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:24
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Re: Coronavirus

Remember those ground zero wet markets in Wuhan where this coronavirus started?

They are open for business. Fresh bats, pangolin, cats and dogs, all ready for slaughter

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...9ZHTw6KhsKptxs
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didn't the virus originate from a lab nearby and not actually from the market itself, these markets have been in existence forever...
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:39
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British American Tobacco, a subsidiary of BAT Industries, seems to be making some progress in the search for a vaccine. I used to work in their London Head Office many years ago. The company has some pretty good research facilities.
Sorry the FT article seems to be behind a pay wall. Some information here

https://www.bat.com/group/sites/UK__...bLive/DOBN8QNL
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Old 01.04.2020, 22:46
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didn't the virus originate from a lab nearby and not actually from the market itself, these markets have been in existence forever...
Scientists say no.

And the virus doesn't care how young you are.

"A six-week-old baby died of the coronavirus in Connecticut, the governor of the neighboring state of New York, Ned Lamont, said Wednesday. He could not be revived after being hospitalized last weekend.

"Tests confirmed last night that the baby tested positive for Covid-19. Heartbreaking. We believe this is one of the youngest people in the world to die from complications due to Covid-19," the governor added on his Twitter account.

Illinois authorities announced Saturday the death in Chicago of a nine-month-old child, then the youngest known person to die from the virus in the United States. The disease is reputed to spare children relatively, and very young victims are very rare.

The region of New York is the most affected in the United States by the pandemic, with more than 100,000 confirmed cases Wednesday between the three neighboring states of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. Connecticut reported more than 3,500 cases and 85 deaths on Wednesday, according to the governor."

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Old 01.04.2020, 22:59
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Re: Coronavirus

Coronavirus is now the third-leading cause of death in the US on a daily basis, behind heart disease and cancer and ahead of accidents and seasonal flu according to Dr. Maria Danilychev of San Diego.

Henan province in central China has taken the drastic measure of putting a mid-sized county in total lockdown as authorities try to fend off a second coronavirus wave in the midst of a push to revive the economy.

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Coronavirus is now the third-leading cause of death in the US on a daily basis, behind heart disease and cancer and ahead of accidents and seasonal flu according to Dr. Maria Danilychev of San Diego.
Source? Daily mail.

9/11 also was a number 1 leading death cause of death in the US on a daily basis... For 11th of september

Bull crap statistic, nothing else

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Source? Daily mail.

9/11 also was a number 1 leading death cause of death in the US on a daily basis... For 11th of september

Bull crap statistic, nothing else
I don't remember 9/11 recurring over and over again. COVID-19 deaths are climbing, every day. #3 cause of death in the US, just two places to go before it tops the podium.

I really don't understand your zeal in trying to discredit scientists and underemphasise the severity of this pandemic. Either you're bitter about some business you own being shut down, or you're an aggressive, shit-stirring troll. Coronavirus deniers get banned on Twitter and Facebook, and I don't see why it should be any different here. All you're trying to do is mislead people and potentially cause real harm if those people listen to and believe the tripe you're spouting.

What are you really trying to achieve?

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Old 01.04.2020, 23:29
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Remember those ground zero wet markets in Wuhan where this coronavirus started?

They are open for business. Fresh bats, pangolin, cats and dogs, all ready for slaughter

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...9ZHTw6KhsKptxs
Yes, I heard about that too. The strangest thing, really.
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I don't remember 9/11 recurring over and over again. COVID-19 deaths are climbing, every day. #3 cause if death in the US, just two places to go before it tops the podium.

I really don't understand your zeal in trying to discredit scientists and underemphasise the severity of this pandemic. Either you're bitter about some business you own being shut down, or you're an aggressive, shit-stirring troll. Coronavirus deniers get banned on Twitter and Facebook, and I don't see why it should be any different here. All you're trying to do is mislead people and potentially cause real harm if those people listen to and believe the tripe you're spouting.

What are you really trying to achieve?
will covid reccur over and over again or it will eventually stop?

The #3 cause of death for a day means nothing really, a airplane crash or terrorist attack can bring the same number and it will mean absolutely nothing to the general picture of safety/health etc. If there is a plane crash today, would you care about the victims of yesterday before taking your flight? Or you will know that the chances of nothing happening are 99.99%

The same is happening here. In the peak period in China, Covid death overall was number 49th cause of death. More people died from road accidents.

Many scientist and doctors have warned that the panic and the anti-virus measures have caused more deaths than the the actual virus.

I have nothing to achieve, my personal opinion is people are panicking and the whole thing is going tits up. People are more in danger from the panic caused from coronavirus rather than the virus itself.

All the numbers so far show that there has been nothing abnormal..except the panic
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I don't remember 9/11 recurring over and over again. COVID-19 deaths are climbing, every day. #3 cause if death in the US, just two places to go before it tops the podium.

I really don't understand your zeal in trying to discredit scientists and underemphasise the severity of this pandemic. Either you're bitter about some business you own being shut down, or you're an aggressive, shit-stirring troll. Coronavirus deniers get banned on Twitter and Facebook, and I don't see why it should be any different here. All you're trying to do is mislead people and potentially cause real harm if those people listen to and believe the tripe you're spouting.

What are you really trying to achieve?
Why the outrage?
Is there a predefined opinion posters must follow? If so, it should be specified at the very beginning of every thread.
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All the numbers so far show that there has been nothing abnormal..except the panic

Here you can compare March 2019 vs March 2020 for Bergamo and province (total number of death, no matter the reason, reported by each municipality)


https://public.tableau.com/profile/i...chi/Dashboard1


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Bergamo March 2019: 125
Bergamo March 2020: 553


Nembro March 2019: 14
Nembro March 2020: 135


Dont't you even feel ashamed of what you write?
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Here you can compare March 2019 vs March 2020 for Bergamo and province (total number of death, no matter the reason, reported by each municipality)


https://public.tableau.com/profile/i...chi/Dashboard1


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Bergamo March 2019: 125
Bergamo March 2020: 553


Nembro March 2019: 14
Nembro March 2020: 135


Dont't you even feel ashamed of what you write?
You get fixated on a single number from a single place. What does it mean if in Bergamo there are X amounts of deaths compared to last year? It means absolutely nothing in a time when people have been dying in retirement homes and at home without care caused by this panic. Are you aware that the Italian authorities are so disorganized that patients are dying in hospitals while hospitals in vicinity are empty? I'm not blaming them, but there is a mass panic and nobody knows what to do. Who knows how many elderly have died in these times due to nobody being able to take care of them and not from the virus itself?

If you look for the absolute numbers, you can see that even with coronavirus deaths the general number of deaths in Italy is not bigger than any other year during flu etc.

Still, Italy's excess death rate is well below the peak from few years ago

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I have nothing to achieve, my personal opinion is people are panicking and the whole thing is going tits up. People are more in danger from the panic caused from coronavirus rather than the virus itself.

All the numbers so far show that there has been nothing abnormal..except the panic
Just yesterday I was thinking about the use of the work "panic" with regard to Corona. Yes, I've also seen rare videos of crazies assaulting one another in a supermarket to buy toilet paper. But panic, generally? I don't think so.

Has anyone on this forum actually seen someone panic because of Corona? I have. The man had a total melt-down, saying: "Corona give me panic!" over and over again, and the poor guy was gripped in such an absolutely overwhelming terror such that no message from outside could reach him, it just wasn't possible to get through at all, his fear just couldn't let anything in. It was awful, and I felt really sorry for him, much as, I admit, I wanted to get away.

However, this one man is the only person I have seen, heard, corresponded with, or read, who panicked. Yet the claim that "people are panicking" is so often heard. I wonder why. Perhaps it sells newspapers well.

Yes, I think many people are at least a little afraid. I am, at some level, and some of the time, although I am more afraid of the strain on the infrastructure and on the economy, than of actually becoming infected, ill or dying. From what I hear from people I know, and read, most people, on this forum and elsewhere, go through waves of mediated fear (that's natural, from time to time) or none or very low levels.

It seems to me that most of the time, we're just muddling along as best we can, trying to balance the elements of our lives in a different way, now that we're working from home, or having to supervise children at home, or just staying at home. Some are sick (from Corona or otherwise) and many are not. It seems we're more inclined to try to keep in touch with people who are important to us, and sometimes even with strangers who are, suddenly, in a good way "there".

EDIT (sparked by Pancakes' post, after this): Even those I know who work in medical professions, though they are very, very tired, and dragging their feet as they do their best to rush over to help the next person, are not panicking. Worried, yes. Working hard, yes, and more than is good for their own health. And some of us who are worried about those who are ill, too. And it is difficult not being able to reach people, to see them, to hug them, as we want to.

I definitely don't think the Corona is a holiday.

I just don't see any of this panic stuff.

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All the numbers so far show that there has been nothing abnormal..except the panic

Tell that to the doctors and nurses working over-time in crowded hospitals right now, worrying about there being enough ventilators to save their patients. You can try to shift the narrative, in your mind, all you want; but that doesn't change the fact that we are currently experiencing a pandemic. Maybe if this was your parent in the hospital right now and you weren't able to see them, then you would feel differently about there being nothing "abnormal" about this.


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