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Old 06.04.2020, 00:14
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Nope, same rules as Switzerland, same timeline, give or take one day.

As much as everyone is desperately trying to find correlations (not even mentioning causality) between those insane measures and their promised effect, there are apparently rather few or, in some places, none. Which automatically means other factors are more important. Focus should definitely be redirected on those, but it seems no one wants to hear that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/o...istancing.html A different suggestion, from a physician no less, while a couple of weeks ago, still valid. Though too late in parts for a speedy turnaround, but obviously still the absolute only option, by now even in the near-term.
Don't know why you describe them as insane measures, they worked reasonably in 1918.
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Jup. Because creating mass panic and thereby diverting and wasting valuable resources is working out so much better.
It helps in getting better numbers than other countries which was the subject smart-ass
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Yes, it's been said a while back, too. I think this is behind the Swedish strategy (and a few other places).
Which is a very weird strategy when one tests so little that one has no clue what is going on as for infection rate.
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Old 06.04.2020, 00:45
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Which is a very weird strategy when one tests so little that one has no clue what is going on as for infection rate.
I agree. It looks like they are making decisions on estimates based on other infected places, it is of course extremely risky, hence the petition in Sweden. Let's not forget that right before schools closed here there were petions of thousands of parents, teachers and medical professionals.
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Bottom line: limited correlation so far between lockdowns and keeping spread at bay.
This is simply not true. Social distancing done properly , isolation, lockdowns... it's an approach that has been proven to work. It's why the populations of NYC and London are in trouble.
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Alain Berset admitted they could have done something different/better - stop the flights with China much earlier. I liked the honesty.


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Yes, it's been said a while back, too. I think this is behind the Swedish strategy (and a few other places).

It was UK's "strategy" too and look where they are now.


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Boris Johnson has been admitted to hospital now.
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He trusted his advisors...wonder what's his opinion now?

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Old 06.04.2020, 01:54
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Interesting, it seems Austria is doing better than anybody else, new cases per day are decreasing drastically every day. What have they done right? (other than blocking Italians from entering, right from the beginning of the explosion in Lombardy)
It's largely down to closing some of their borders a lot earlier, but also the large distances between their main population centres (with the notable exception of Salzburg and Linz), plus their public transport system isn't as dynamic and interconnected as Switzerland.
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I think people have been wearing masks for a while there, though.
From Reuters on 1 April...

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrian supermarkets on Wednesday began handing out basic face masks to largely compliant shoppers before they become compulsory next week, though there remained some confusion about the new measure and uncertainty about its usefulness in fighting the coronavirus. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21J5Y9

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Assuming that it’s a collective measure, masks do help slow down the spread of the virus, Monika Redlberger-Fritz, head of the influenza department at the Medical University of Vienna, says.

“The way it is being introduced in Austria now, these mouth and nose masks are a way for everyone to protect the person next to them,” she says.

She cautioned against using DIY masks that only consist of fabric. “A lot of droplets would still get through, so you’d need to have at least a layer of fleece liner,” she says.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9438616.html
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Old 06.04.2020, 02:23
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People like sunshine here too, but it was empty here. Ghost town, I am honestly proud of the common sense here.
You're lucky! The road outside of our house was busier than an average bank holiday with dozens upon dozens of bikers too.
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Nope, same rules as Switzerland, same timeline, give or take one day.
Not really.

While lockdown and ban on going out is roughly the same, Austria's hotspot Ischgl (which was the source for thousands infections all over Europe while it was still open) has been in quarantine since before the Swiss lockdown was announced. All the while the Samnaun, on the other side of the mountains they jointly use with Ischgl and which had been profiting for decades from its dutyfree and VAT-free status, refused to follow the Federal Council's decree when it was issued two days later in order to profiteer some more.
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Meanwhile, in the "need some fun even in these times" corner...

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Love this...


The Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar has re-registered as a doctor with the country's health service and will work one shift a week to assist during the coronavirus outbreak.

Mr Varadkar was a practising doctor for seven years, working as a junior doctor in St James's Hospital and Connolly Hospital in Dublin before becoming a politician.

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Old 06.04.2020, 07:46
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While lockdown and ban on going out is roughly the same, Austria's hotspot Ischgl (which was the source for thousands infections all over Europe while it was still open) has been in quarantine since before the Swiss lockdown was announced. All the while the Samnaun, on the other side of the mountains they jointly use with Ischgl and which had been profiting for decades from its dutyfree and VAT-free status, refused to follow the Federal Council's decree when it was issued two days later in order to profiteer some more.
Yes you’re right, they did.
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Apparently getting cheap cigs is more important than your health.

"A man has been rescued by helicopter from the Pyrenees after trying to walk from France to Spain to buy cheap cigarettes, reports say.

The local mountain rescue service said the man was found "exhausted, shivering, cold and lost" when he was eventually picked up.

Despite his ordeal, he was fined 135 euros ($146; £119) for breaking coronavirus lockdown rules.

"We remind you once more. STAY AT HOME," the regional police tweeted.

The mountain rescue service said the man, from Perpignan - about 25km (15 miles) from the Spanish border - had initially set off by car but was turned back at a checkpoint.

It said he then decided to attempt the journey on foot along a hiking path over the mountains.

However, the man fell into a stream and brambles and got lost before contacting rescuers, the service said. It said he was found quickly and airlifted to a security facility back in Perpignan.

Under lockdown rules in France, people can only leave home for exceptional reasons and with a letter explaining why."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52174288
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Nope, same rules as Switzerland, same timeline, give or take one day.
Significantly stricter than Switzerland (and from what my friends tell me significantly better observed) plus one calendar day earlier and crucially a few days earlier in terms of epidemic progression (this is much more significant than the one calendar day).
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Significantly stricter than Switzerland (and from what my friends tell me significantly better observed) plus one calendar day earlier and crucially a few days earlier in terms of epidemic progression (this is much more significant than the one calendar day).
Yesterday we had the lowest number of cases since 18 March. We are being quite strict enough. It's working quite quickly. Two weeks and the numbers will be very low.
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Yesterday we had the lowest number of cases since 18 March. We are being quite strict enough. It's working quite quickly. Two weeks and the numbers will be very low.
Also a small downturn in worldwide case numbers, hope it continues.
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Japan, who had seemingly dealt with the virus are on the verge of declaring a state of emergency as it as sprung up again. Makes one wonder how much longer this is going to go on for. A country may get everything under control yet as soon as people start moving about again the problem will flare up again.
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A country may get everything under control yet as soon as people start moving about again the problem will flare up again.
Absolutely certain. The release out of lockdown will be a slow and carefully managed process to try to hold the level of active cases at a level that can be handled. Critical precursor is testing and tracing.
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... whom you can’t all keep out as so many of them work in the healthcare sector
Only 6% of frontalieri here work in the healthcare sector.

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Old 06.04.2020, 10:24
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Japan, who had seemingly dealt with the virus are on the verge of declaring a state of emergency as it as sprung up again. Makes one wonder how much longer this is going to go on for. A country may get everything under control yet as soon as people start moving about again the problem will flare up again.
I think this was expected. It will go until we get targeted treatment and start vaccinating. Until then...testing and tracking. I don't think "passports for the immunized" will work either since there were people who got reinfected, shedding virus.
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