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One guy from the Luzern council starts to talk about reopening shops by April 20. "population at risk" stays at home while everyone else resumes productive life

https://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/schwe...fte-ld.1210926
CZ has flatten the curve the most out of Europe, flies foreign patients to their hospitals. Plans on opening some shops within a week or two, DIY, bike shops, etc. places where people don't touch or are not served. With specific rules as per distance, no. of people in a shop and masks that gave been obligatory past 2-3weeks. Then after 2 weeks another wave of other shops. Schools the last. Austria and Danmark thinking of the same. But...they are flexible to return to a complete lockdown again immediately if stats grow. The population have cooperated. But nobody I know actually likes this plan.
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:36
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there's also the notion that a society deserves its leadership. take Putin, some argue that Russians deserve him because their masses are so inert, gullible or whatever...
Isolation will do that. Support from outside will do the opposite. What you call gullible or inert I see as a result of being isolated and without help. Lived it.
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:41
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He shouldn't have special treatment which then begs the question why is he there if he doesn't need a vent? makes no sense.
Plenty of people are in intensive care without yet being on an ICU.
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:48
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It's impossible to do randomised testing. The BCG vaccine creates a unique blister and then a scar on your shoulder.

The real randomised testing is the natural experiment of countries with mandatory BCG vaccination and countries that don't apply that vaccine.
It's just a supposition, I wouldn't get my hopes high. The pandemic hit those countries where BCG vaccination is still compulsory too. I think China being one of them btw.

Some Cuban doctors were noticing good results when treating covid patients with anti-virals used for treating Hepatitis B and C (the most viral ones). Still. We're in the phase of experimenting and using what we have now.
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:50
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some restrictions don't make sense, like fenced-off seedlings at Landi. people should be encouraged to plant their own salad rather the go shopping for it (venting here as my Hochbeet stands empty )
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:55
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Casualty is A&E. Very different department to Intensive Care.
yes, of course- which in those days was a part of Casualty and manned by same staff. But you are right.
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Plenty of people are in intensive care without yet being on an ICU.
"intensive care"="ICU".

I guess you mean "ventilator", for "ICU".
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Old 07.04.2020, 11:59
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BTW when did the UK call it ICU vs ITU?
I’ve always known it as ICU, I thought ITU was the new word for it.

It was always called the intensive care unit where I lived.
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:02
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THey only put him in IC as a precaution. He's conscious though
I've seen 3 different doctors on tv this morning saying that you don't put someone in ICU "as a precaution" regardless of who they are.

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Oxygen alone never used to require an ICU bed.
There are different levels of care requiring oxygen. My mother-in-law still uses a home oxygen machine daily since being hospitalised with pneumonia a year ago. This is administered via a face mask. Then there's oxygen therapy which is the bubble over the head type of oxygen therapy which we've seen on the news lately, and finally intubated oxygen which requires the patient to be sedated.

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BTW when did the UK call it ICU vs ITU?
ITU - Intensive Therapy Unit, is the umbrella term which covers both ICU - Intensive Care and HD - High dependency care units. http://www.waht.nhs.uk/en-GB/Our-Ser...cal-Care-Unit/
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:03
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I’ve always known it as ICU, I thought ITU was the new word for it.

It was always called the intensive care unit where I lived.

Funny that.
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:05
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I've seen 3 different doctors on tv this morning saying that you don't put someone in ICU "as a precaution" regardless of who they are.
My thoughts when I heard he was in ICU. You can't harp on about the lack of beds then put someone in a bed "just to be sure"
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:10
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My thoughts when I heard he was in ICU. You can't harp on about the lack of beds then put someone in a bed "just to be sure"
Why not, he's the PM after all?
Why are Brits so self-hating towards the establishment and yet everytime I say "God shave the queen" I get odd looks?
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Why not, he's the PM after all?
Why are Brits so self-hating towards the establishment and yet everytime I say "God shave the queen" I get odd looks?
60% want BJ gone but when someone else suggests BJ should go, they are 100% against!
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:18
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My thoughts when I heard he was in ICU. You can't harp on about the lack of beds then put someone in a bed "just to be sure"
So lets get this straight... do you not, thinking logically and rationally, think that the person leading a country deserves any special treatment in order to try to ensure that they remain capable of doing so?

He is not a regular guy, he is the Prime Minister. Obviously he is going to get the highest levels of treatment possible even if those are not accessible to other people in the same situation. It's just basic common sense.
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Old 07.04.2020, 12:22
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So lets get this straight... do you not think that the person leading a country does not, thinking logically and rationally, deserve any special treatment in order to try to ensure that he remains capable of doing so?
Sounds very neo-marxist.

People like themselves to be egalitarian.

When it suits.
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some restrictions don't make sense, like fenced-off seedlings at Landi. people should be encouraged to plant their own salad rather the go shopping for it (venting here as my Hochbeet stands empty )

In the press conference of the Swiss Federal Council of 03.04.2020, they mentioned that a solution has been found for Garden Centres. See https://www.englishforum.ch/housing-...ml#post3167214
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So lets get this straight... do you not, thinking logically and rationally, think that the person leading a country deserves any special treatment in order to try to ensure that they remain capable of doing so?

He is not a regular guy, he is the Prime Minister. Obviously he is going to get the highest levels of treatment possible even if those are not accessible to other people in the same situation. It's just basic common sense.
The Prime Minister's Office has a different take on the issue. The goal of PM being moved into intensive care unit is not to ensure the PM remains capable of leading the UK. Instead, this event means the PM is already incapacitated to work, therefore his responsibilities were taken yesterday by someone else.

"The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary." https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...t-6-april-2020

A bit hard, but being moved to the ICU is about saving his life, not ensuring his ability to work. He lost that one yesterday.
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The Prime Minister's Office has a different take on the issue. The goal of PM being moved into intensive care unit is not to ensure the PM remains capable of leading the UK. Instead, this event means the PM is already incapacitated to work, therefore his responsibilities were taken yesterday by someone else.

"The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary." https://www.gov.uk/government/news/s...t-6-april-2020

A bit hard, but being moved to the ICU is about saving his life, not ensuring his ability to work. He lost that one yesterday.
I think the context of what I meant was clear unless you are aiming to be somewhat pedantic... regardless of any shifted responsibilities he is still the PM and still needs to get back to running the country as soon as he is able. That is best done by keeping him in the best health possible at any given time. The two goals are linked and the point of the post was that he does deserve special treatment due to his elevated position.
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So lets get this straight... do you not, thinking logically and rationally, think that the person leading a country deserves any special treatment in order to try to ensure that they remain capable of doing so?

He is not a regular guy, he is the Prime Minister. Obviously he is going to get the highest levels of treatment possible even if those are not accessible to other people in the same situation. It's just basic common sense.
As PM he could have a private duty doctor or nurse, have various treatments private or at home, he goes to the NHS and uses a highly valued NHS bed so at that point to me he should be in the same queueing system as everyone else.

His life is not worth more than others.
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As PM he could have a private duty doctor or nurse, have various treatments private or at home, he goes to the NHS and uses a highly valued NHS bed so at that point to me he should be in the same queueing system as everyone else.

His life is not worth more than others.
Then you are, unfortunately, delusional as to the realities of the situation and therefore not thinking rationally.
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