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Thatís how I understood it too.
There really was nothing confusing about that question in my opinion.
Yes, thatís what I was asking...
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:20
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No, they just meant that Boris can breathe now without a ventilator, just like before he went into intensive care. They did forget to mention that he can walk now without a prosthetic leg, though.
They said "Boris can breathe now without a ventilator" which implies he was on a ventilator; otherwise they would have said something like "Boris continues to breathe without a ventilator".
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:21
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Well, and we're back to close to 1'000 newly infected people.
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:24
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Well, and we're back to close to 1'000 newly infected people.
And weíre all supposed to work in the office as from Tuesday.. oh no, thatís another thread.....


Stay safe people, stay at home if you can!
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:27
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Well, and we're back to close to 1'000 newly infected people.
I'd be curious to know if the criteria changed, if previously we tested a 1.000 in need of medical help positive, but now only 400 of them need medical help and the rest is family or neighbours hardly showing symptoms than the spread has gone down.
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:28
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I did not feel the UK to be particularly...handsy tactile, in any way, reserved, rather. But the measures were not taken seriously in the UK, I think.
Utter bollox. On both counts.
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:36
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When all's done and dusted, I fully expect the UK to have the worst figures in Europe for a number of reasons. Population density, the number of people who ignored government advice to remain indoors, the inadequacy of the NHS healthcare system, high proportion of unhealthy people (Obesity and Diabetes) and the number of multi-generational households in the UKs high ethnic background population.
Your constant UK bashing is as exceedingly tiresome as your "facts" (which are not indeed facts).

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Another reason for that is multi generational households and religious gatherings. Cultural norms also have an impact on how the virus is spread. BME also more likely to suffer from diabetes. Black people are also more likely to be overweight in the UK.

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....-adults/latest
Good grief. It's economic deprivation that's the most common factor IIRC.

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It's more complex than that. The stats pdf can be downloaded from this tweet from Wes Baker - 'Head of Financial Integration at NHS. Passionate about healthcare, financial modelling and analytics.' https://twitter.com/Wesbaker_1/statu...10078666678282
Exactly this.

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People with an agenda will be looking for some sort of conspiracy theory to exploit, but it is very likely to be that simple.
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I don't see the point in these speculations. Every single country in Europe, in fact the world, has taken different approaches at different times, based on circumstances and medical advice. With hindsight, for every country, we will be able to identify actions that turned out to be very beneficial, and very damaging. Not one single country, or government, on this planet wants this problem to endure, and everyone's doing the best they possibly can in a situation where frankly, no one knows exactly the best way of behaving.

When I look at Die Welt, or Le Monde, or NY Times, or ask my Swiss/Spanish/Italian friends how things are going, they ALL complain about the actions of their government, and 'if only we'd done X a week earlier, or not done X at that moment'. The truth is that until there's a vaccine, or a very reliable way to screen those who've already had the virus, we're all in the dark a bit, and living on hope and luck as much as good judgement.

As for the UK, who knows? There was a report out yesterday saying that the UK would come out worst in Europe, but the report authors themselves, when challenged, admitted later that the data they used for their analysis and estimates was inaccurate, and their extrapolations were shown to be faulty. Doesn't mean that the UK won't turn out to be worst but it's yet another illustration of everyone and his dog having a go at predicting the course of the pandemic based on 25% facts, 25% prejudice, 25% sticking a finger in the air, and 25% examining the tea leaves.

100% this.

It's very easy to sit on the outside looking in and comment but the reality is, unless you are actually in that country, experiencing that country, everything else is guesswork and hearsay.

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Old 08.04.2020, 21:37
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Well, and we're back to close to 1'000 newly infected people.
EF newly infected?
Corona is of course much, much more
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:42
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Corona is of course much, much more
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Daily newly infected figures released today.
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Old 08.04.2020, 21:59
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Daily newly infected figures released today.
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Old 08.04.2020, 22:01
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And weíre all supposed to work in the office as from Tuesday.. oh no, thatís another thread.....


Stay safe people, stay at home if you can!
Do you really need to work from the office? How does that work? Thanks!
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Old 08.04.2020, 22:07
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I did not feel the UK to be particularly...handsy, in any way, reserved, rather.
When did you live there, for how long, and where ???

I arrived in London exactly 50 years ago- Easter 1970- and I would have said the same about it then ...especially London. I found it hard at first, I have to say.

But then moved to the Midlands, in several locations, for 35 years - totally different, and also changed so much over the years. You'd probably find young English people much more 'tactile' nowadays, hugging has become quite normal. A bit facile to make sweeping generalisations from a relatively short visit some years back, and in one specific location.
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They said "Boris can breathe now without a ventilator" which implies he was on a ventilator; otherwise they would have said something like "Boris continues to breathe without a ventilator".
He was on air support and got 4ltr of air extra the first day, so yeah could be ventilator, but would not expect since it is so little.

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Old 08.04.2020, 22:23
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When did you live there, for how long, and where ???

I arrived in London exactly 50 years ago- Easter 1970- and I would have said the same about it then ...especially London. I found it hard at first, I have to say.

But then moved to the Midlands, in several locations, for 35 years - totally different, and also changed so much over the years. You'd probably find young English people much more 'tactile' nowadays, hugging has become quite normal. A bit facile to make sweeping generalisations from a relatively short visit some years back, and in one specific location.
I think that regardless of nationality or location, it‘s really hard for most of us to not hug each other in times of joy, or to make any other form of physical contact when we are happy to see someone. Dogs wag their tails. The hand shaking bit is stupid /like wearing a tie.

Didn‘t notice this until recently!
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Well, and we're back to close to 1'000 newly infected people.
Looks incorrect. Can only see that on worldometer, nothing else to substantiate it. That sudden increase doesn't match any fresh federal or cantonal reporting. Maybe some sort of data catchup.
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Old 08.04.2020, 22:27
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Gawd, I am thinking about my tie wearing and serious hand shaking.

This corona will turn us all into scary hipsters!
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Old 08.04.2020, 22:41
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Looks incorrect. Can only see that on worldometer, nothing else to substantiate it. That sudden increase doesn't match any fresh federal or cantonal reporting. Maybe some sort of data catchup.
What's incorrect are the occasional sharp decreases.
March 21 - 1'248
March 22 - 611
March 23 - 1'321

There are a couple of such data fluctuations. I go by worldometer. BAG doesn't release up to date data in my opinion.
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Old 08.04.2020, 22:52
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What's incorrect are the occasional sharp decreases.
March 21 - 1'248
March 22 - 611
March 23 - 1'321

There are a couple of such data fluctuations. I go by worldometer. BAG doesn't release up to date data in my opinion.
Worldometer for Switzerland has this site as a source: https://interactif.tdg.ch/2020/covid-19-carte-suisse/

It says on 8th April: 727 new cases, 74 died
Worldometer 8th April: 1027 new cases, 74 died

Where did these 300 new cases come from?
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What's incorrect are the occasional sharp decreases.
March 21 - 1'248
March 22 - 611
March 23 - 1'321

There are a couple of such data fluctuations. I go by worldometer. BAG doesn't release up to date data in my opinion.
Maybe it reflects the EF member recovery rate? Or are you Trump
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Worldometer for Switzerland has this site as a source: https://interactif.tdg.ch/2020/covid-19-carte-suisse/

It says on 8th April: 727 new cases, 74 died
Worldometer 8th April: 1027 new cases, 74 died

Where did these 300 new cases come from?
Difference in sites are caused by:

Different 24hr periods
Putting cases back on the date of test or simply on date of publishing
Confirmed by reference lab in Geneva

If today it got known that 200 cases that have been taken the test two days ago have been found positive than worldometer puts them on today since it only cares for moment of data being pushed and a bunch of other sites put them silently on two days ago.
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