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The first list does, indeed, have the names of 109 medical staff.
The 2nd list only has the details of 50 of them, of which, 16 were not yet 65 years old. Without the details of all 109, it's a fallacy to claim that the majority of the 109 were above retirement age.

None of that detracts from the rapidly increasing number of medical staff deaths in the UK, the youngest of whom was 23.
And even if above 65, they could not have been in such bad condition upfront if they were fit enough to show up for work again.
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2000 staff must cost a fortune, is that the reason why cruises are so expensive?

I bet next rounds of cruises people will be asked to produce a health certificate. I tend to think that day cares, too, and schools, when a quick test of antibodies is available at GPs.

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I assume certain nationalities will be asked to provide health certificates when travelling and/or asking for visas. I see it as something logical. There will be some changes we can't think about now for all of us.

Btw, not only because of corona. Every epidemic even in the remotest places will set an alarm. Sad but necessary.
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Six young men (not kids) were playing football at the school near us. My wife and I saw them as we were returning from our daily walk. They did notice that we were watching them.

A little while later a helicopter flew over, and then my daughter returned home and reported the police had just parked up by the school. 100 franc fines all round, I expect.
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Old 13.04.2020, 17:44
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...In the UK, gatherings weren't limited until it was too late...When all this is done, history will see the decisions ...in a very, very dim light.
I think this will be true of many places. Human nature being what it is, and capitalism being what it is, closing schools, shutting restaurants, and cancelling sports matches was largely inconceivable. Politicians and laypeople bought into the idea that A) it's "over there" in China and B) not that many people are sick or dying. People need to be hit with stark realities before they'll change behavior. Even then, some people will deny any behavior changes were needed and it was all overkill.
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Old 13.04.2020, 18:11
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2000 staff must cost a fortune, is that the reason why cruises are so expensive?

I bet next rounds of cruises people will be asked to produce a health certificate. I tend to think that day cares, too, and schools, when a quick test of antibodies is available at GPs.

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The ships have to be manned 24 hours a day and 7 days a week so you do need a lot of people.
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Old 13.04.2020, 18:24
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The first list does, indeed, have the names of 109 medical staff.
The 2nd list only has the details of 50 of them, of which, 16 were not yet 65 years old. Without the details of all 109, it's a fallacy to claim that the majority of the 109 were above retirement age.

None of that detracts from the rapidly increasing number of medical staff deaths in the UK, the youngest of whom was 23.
It would be good to have an explanation of why "the media" are being blamed?
The link is to the web site of the Italian National Federation of the Colleges of Physicians, Surgeons and Dentists (FNOMCeO) which contains the principles and rules to which the professional medical practitioner must adhere.

Similar to the British Medical Association (BMA).

Probably the dates of birth are protected by privacy laws.
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Old 13.04.2020, 19:01
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Probably the dates of birth are protected by privacy laws.
Absolutely. You can publish the name of the doctor, where he worked, what position he held and the date he died.

But you can not publish the date of birth, that is protected by privacy law

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Old 13.04.2020, 19:06
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Everywhere. In some places more than in others. It's their number that frightens me.

I'm grateful that, apart from some exceptions, people seem to understand here.

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I think this will be true of many places. Human nature being what it is, and capitalism being what it is, closing schools, shutting restaurants, and cancelling sports matches was largely inconceivable. Politicians and laypeople bought into the idea that A) it's "over there" in China and B) not that many people are sick or dying. People need to be hit with stark realities before they'll change behavior. Even then, some people will deny any behavior changes were needed and it was all overkill.
This. You explained perfectly what and why is happening in some places.

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Old 13.04.2020, 19:09
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I think this will be true of many places. Human nature being what it is, and capitalism being what it is, closing schools, shutting restaurants, and cancelling sports matches was largely inconceivable. Politicians and laypeople bought into the idea that A) it's "over there" in China and B) not that many people are sick or dying. People need to be hit with stark realities before they'll change behavior. Even then, some people will deny any behavior changes were needed and it was all overkill.
I think it is more simple than that. You have places where a part of family social life is watching the main evening news together. And the news not being sensationalist. Elsewhere, the media gives the public what the public wants. People watched IT here knowing how close the scenario is. They adjusted to the new measures here because they well imagined them before.
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Old 13.04.2020, 19:18
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I think it is more simple than that. You have places where a part of family social life is watching the main evening news together. And the news not being sensationalist. Elsewhere, the media gives the public what the public wants. People watched IT here knowing how close the scenario is. They adjusted to the new measures here because they well imagined them before.
Good point. The evening news here in CH is much less sensationalistic than it is in the USA. Even the French and German newscasts we watch are similar. They say what's going on, report numbers, etc. In the States, even local news stations come across as heavily biased in comparison and everything is "breaking news" or an emergency.
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The French have made the biggest mess of this situation of any country in Europe, with the possible exception of us Brits. Forgive me if I don't take their advice with any seriousness whatsoever!

I mean having to carry a bit of paper to go outside for a walk is a complete joke. We haven't put that in place in Switzerland, we were hard hit and yet we seem to be doing very well. It's been comprehensively shown that you don't need to restrict outside behaviour to get the disease under control, so why are they doing it. That should be a real civil liberties matter. As is the apparent banning of going for a country walk in the UK.

I agree that it is theoretically possible to catch the disease outside, but it's so vanishingly unlikely if you are social distancing as to be irrelevant. I'd be donating the masks to the hospitals instead personally, at least if I were under 70 and well.
Because the Brits are highly neurotic and a little bit wacky!
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Because the Brits are highly neurotic and a little bit wacky!
Not me. I'm chilled.
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i know a woman in her 80's that started going on cruises after her husband died, she had a great time.
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French lock down extended to May 11th - borders to remain closed.
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11th of May kindergartens and school will progressively reopen (everything except universities).

He said something among the lines that the poverty is depriving low-income families from access to education and they have no tool to fight it
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Absolutely. You can publish the name of the doctor, where he worked, what position he held and the date he died.

But you can not publish the date of birth, that is protected by privacy law

Date of birth traditionally is part of the identity record which consists of Name, date and place of birth (but not date of death). Plus now we have personal identification numbers, but in many countries including Italy they are not unique p.p. (you can have more than one), so the traditional set still matters.
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And he is so right - this is one of my huge worries- that the educational gap is growing by the day.
He also had the humanity, humility (yes surprising) and honesty to acknowledge he and his Government were not as well prepared as they should, that they made mistakes - unlike Johnson and his lot, and in particular Priti Patel.
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News on German TV channel ARD 1 just announced new coronavirus cases in China are on the rise
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I ordered some stuff from China on Jan 22nd, never heard any more and so assumed it was a coronavirus problem victim and forgot about it.
Just got an email it is in Customs control in Zürich
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A sensible argument for lockdown:



or direct links to youtube: https://youtu.be/0ERi2cL730o
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