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I was thinking more about your elderly friend, it must be possible for him to come up with some sort of similar arrangement with his family.
He hasn't got any young family - and he lives on the 5th floor of a (magnificent Victorian building) - so no, not really. The view is however one of the most magnificent ever.

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August is still four months away and the lockdown is being eased after one month. It's definitely possible that Street Parade could go on as planned.
But they would need a green light long time upfront since plenty of hotels and plain tickets have to be booked. nobody is going to insure them for this now.

I don't think they'll manage to get that. Besides that I think the event is simply to huge to do this summer already, city council is never going to allow permits for such.
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Old 17.04.2020, 22:44
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My elderly aunt was very careful about avoiding social contact during the lockdown. She died today in a freak accident.

Despite the lockdown, the nursing home down the road has over 20 cases of CV. I sometimes wonder if the lockdown had been less drastic, would the outcome still have been the same?

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My elderly aunt was very careful about avoiding social contact during the lockdown. She died today in a freak accident.

Despite the lockdown, the nursing home down the road has over 20 cases of CV. I sometimes wonder if the lockdown went too far.
Oh no, so sorry to hear that!
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My elderly aunt was very careful about avoiding social contact during the lockdown. She died today in a freak accident.

Despite the lockdown, the nursing home down the road has over 20 cases of CV. I sometimes wonder if the lockdown went too far.
I am so sorry for your loss olygirl! These are unsettling times at best. I just lost my Mom a few weeks ago and this lockdown doesn't make it easy for many.

In my view, there is no way to know what is the best way to move forward and reopen. Until governments are able mass produce antibody tests, it is anyone's guess as to the "real" number of those infected as many are probably asymptomatic and yet they still spread.

That said, when walking my dog, I am extremely careful and cross the street anytime I see someone approaching. Sad but true, but when I see children, my first thought is: "Super Spreaders" and I will backtrack and remove myself from the area. Same as when I encounter an elderly person - out of courtesy to them.

Just have to hope, that the anti virals will be effective in stemming the death rate and that they make strides in developing a vaccine sooner than later. My sense is that this lockdown may be occur in phases given Singapore's recent issues. Not easy but things could be worse for me at least.

I still worry about those living in the US and in other countries - living paycheck to paycheck notwithstanding small business owners and those recently unemployed. My heart goes out to them...
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Old 18.04.2020, 00:28
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Only I think that the numbers are decreasing and that it is getting better, I am talking about active cases and the already cured ones? )
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Completely unthinkable, there's no way to justify such a risk.

Even the Olympic Summer Games 2020 and Euro 2020 got postponed.

The Street Parade will not take place this year. Or any other big event, including all Open Airs, film festivals, etc. The bands and other stars won't tour for only half the events they originally planned for, and without acts no event.
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Agreed, but there's still on average, 15k passengers flying into the UK every day with no checks or instructions.
Going by the ratio of positive tests to deaths the UK doesn't even have enough tests to test all hospital cases that get tested elsewhere. If anything the arrivals should be quarantined for 2-3 weeks, but where would the 200-300k stay (15k times 14-21 days)?

Thank BoJo for his herd immunity "strategy".
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Exactly. Imagine little Switzerland behaving differently to its big neighbours. That's why our VAT is around 20%, personal income tax rates max out around 45%, citizen-initiated referenda are but a fantasy and people can speed at their leisure on the motorways with no fear of repercussions, save a slap on the wrist.
The virus doesn't care about borders. Everything you mention depends on them.
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Old 18.04.2020, 01:51
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They can make recommendations, such as that over 65s should stay inside, but they can't mandate it. Does Ticino or Chur have a mandate in place established after March 16?
Not that I'm aware of and I did understand the balance of law changes with the different stages (it was me and Tom who posted the link to the pandemic plan when this all began ). I've been following the legal side of it and the public reactions to it because of the contrast between the Swiss and British ways of thinking when it comes to perceived power grabs and resistance to ceding control. Then there's the whole thing with the US state governors (Cuomo is fascinating). There's a lot of UK legal folk very concerned about the legal ramifications and repercussions.

Been talking with friends about the 'stubborn element' of our respective societies. It's ranged from New Zealand "The woman's got a point and she's taking a pay cut. I didn't want to go out anyway." to Brits refusing to do as they're asked and nobody dares to tell them (but at least they've got an extra pack of loo rolls), to the Swiss who hate being told what to do but have 6 mths+ supply of essentials in their kellers anyway, to the plonkers in Michigan who rolled up to City Hall carrying assault rifles whilst wearing masks. That's one hell of a mixed message.

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TBF its probably only worth checking when you've got local numbers down. The numbers coming in with the virus will be de minimis compared to the number of people in the uk who have it.
The issue is that they're not being given clear concise guidelines regarding self-isolation upon arrival. Compare that to Western Australia who've some of the strictest entry regulations into the state, yet it's been surprisingly popular decision with residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...ained/12116140

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal...0200401-p54fzd
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But they would need a green light long time upfront since plenty of hotels and plain tickets have to be booked. nobody is going to insure them for this now.

I don't think they'll manage to get that. Besides that I think the event is simply to huge to do this summer already, city council is never going to allow permits for such.
Who will miss it anyhow. Its been for many years DOA! Not to mention that its both hedonistic and voyeuristic

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I am so sorry for your loss olygirl! These are unsettling times at best. I just lost my Mom a few weeks ago and this lockdown doesn't make it easy for many.

In my view, there is no way to know what is the best way to move forward and reopen. Until governments are able mass produce antibody tests, it is anyone's guess as to the "real" number of those infected as many are probably asymptomatic and yet they still spread.

That said, when walking my dog, I am extremely careful and cross the street anytime I see someone approaching. Sad but true, but when I see children, my first thought is: "Super Spreaders" and I will backtrack and remove myself from the area. Same as when I encounter an elderly person - out of courtesy to them.

Just have to hope, that the anti virals will be effective in stemming the death rate and that they make strides in developing a vaccine sooner than later. My sense is that this lockdown may be occur in phases given Singapore's recent issues. Not easy but things could be worse for me at least.

I still worry about those living in the US and in other countries - living paycheck to paycheck notwithstanding small business owners and those recently unemployed. My heart goes out to them...
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Going by the ratio of positive tests to deaths the UK doesn't even have enough tests to test all hospital cases that get tested elsewhere. If anything the arrivals should be quarantined for 2-3 weeks, but where would the 200-300k stay (15k times 14-21 days)?

Thank BoJo for his herd immunity "strategy".
Given the relatively late infection curve in the UK, arrivals are mostly more likely to contract Covid in the UK than to bring it with them.
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Not to mention that its both hedonistic and voyeuristic
...and what's wrong with that?
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Old 18.04.2020, 11:15
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The lefties unions and syndicates in VD in GE are already complaining about reopning of the schools. They say:

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The Syndicate of public services also goes up to the front and requests a postponement of the opening of compulsory schools. In a statement Friday, the SSP considers "the explanations of the federal authorities unconvincing." He added that "the date of May 11 was chosen for the wrong reasons and without the necessary guarantees."
Have they not enjoyed the service of postman, delivery guys, supermarket staff, garages not to mention medical personnel during these crazy times? Where were they to say anything about their Amazon socks being delivered in 2 days during closure of borders? They didn't see the health security issues when they were meditating at home while lots of people were outside working.

They see a bridge holiday is not that far away to be free and paid until September
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FIBO the largest fitness trade show in the world was supposed to have been held in April in Koln Germany but instead of outright cancelling, organisers have postponed it to the beginning of October. Not the remotest chance I would even consider going with circa 145,000 visitors from 140 nations (according to their website) and I think it is irresponsible and reckless that it is not completely cancelled for 2020. Sure money was the deciding factor
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The lefties unions and syndicates in VD in GE are already complaining about reopning of the schools. [...]
Have they not enjoyed the service of postman, delivery guys, supermarket staff, garages not to mention medical personnel during these crazy times? Where were they to say anything about their Amazon socks being delivered in 2 days during closure of borders? They didn't see the health security issues when they were meditating at home while lots of people were outside working.
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Many of these you listed work with relatively little contact with others. There is a difference between working in a high roof mostly empty Warehouse or a garage and facing a few sets of 24 pupils every day in a classroom.
From my point of view it is not concern for the teachers but the assumptions kids don't spread while it is not really known and kids have parents as well who aren't teenagers either.
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August is still four months away and the lockdown is being eased after one month. It's definitely possible that Street Parade could go on as planned.
I think we are going to have to get used to the idea that this sort of event isn't going to happen until we have a vaccine or reach eventually herd immunity.

Until that happens you just can't allow events that will inevitably increase the infection rate above 1.
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The lefties unions and syndicates in VD in GE are already complaining about reopning of the schools. They say:



Have they not enjoyed the service of postman, delivery guys, supermarket staff, garages not to mention medical personnel during these crazy times? Where were they to say anything about their Amazon socks being delivered in 2 days during closure of borders? They didn't see the health security issues when they were meditating at home while lots of people were outside working.

They see a bridge holiday is not that far away to be free and paid until September
There’s a world of difference between a school classroom full of kids and those jobs.
You’re comparing apples to oranges.
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Many of these you listed work with relatively little contact with others. There is a difference between working in a high roof mostly empty Warehouse or a garage and facing a few sets of 24 pupils every day in a classroom.
From my point of view it is not concern for the teachers but the assumptions kids don't spread while it is not really known and kids have parents as well who aren't teenagers either.
Sure contact is limited but certain distances and conditions can be implemented even at school. I feel they are using the situation, at least in VD here people are picnicking in parks with beach towels and now those same campers will be "afraid" to go back to work.

Few days ago I saw 4 camping cars parked near the lake just before Lutry beach with people eating bbq and swimming in the lake. I don't know about other places, but from Geneva and Lausanne I see much more activity in parks and people going out more often than usual. Everyday it's like a Sunday sunny day

Getting next day delivery on your Zalando boots is considered essential.

Children's education can wait for September, we don't consider it essential?
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