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Apparently Cuomo has ordered that everyone in New York aged 2 and over must wear a mask when in public. Has this man ever seen or met a toddler???
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Apparently Cuomo has ordered that everyone in New York aged 2 and over must wear a mask when in public. Has this man ever seen or met a toddler???



Can't get mine to wear socks for more than 15 minutes and we have to distract her with half a Freddo to get her shoes on... the horror...
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Kids are carriers of the virus. There is a shortage of teachers in the UK in some subjects as it is. Don't know the current picture in CH. Not as easy to replace as you blithely suggest.

You haven't answered my question about the practical difficulties of social distancing within schools.

As for your last point: is a school's primary function to educate, as you initially stated, or merely as a free place to warehouse your kids?
1m distance can easily be maintained or achieved, i don't see a problem with that. it's not impossible to do. I'm talking about CH schools, not UK

school isn't a warehouse for kids mate, especially it isn't free, but tomorrow when offices and businesses open, parents will need to go back to earn their bread, where will the kids go? to grandpa and grandma?
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1m distance can easily be maintained or achieved, i don't see a problem with that. it's not impossible to do. I'm talking about CH schools, not UK

school isn't a warehouse for kids mate, but tomorrow when offices and businesses open, parents will need to go back to earn their bread, where will the kids go? to grandpa and grandma?
Clearly the social distancing in schools issue isn't as obvious as some may think...

Exactly how big would a classroom have to be to keep everyone in it 2m (not 1m) apart? Install mezzanines? How big do you think schools are? Mind you, if you can figure it out you'd probably be hailed as some kind of genius.

Swiss kids are largely autonomously from aged 4, aren't they? Just leave them the wifi and some sandwiches.
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1m distance can easily be maintained or achieved, i don't see a problem with that. it's not impossible to do. I'm talking about CH schools, not UK
It's is simply impossible to keep the 2m distance since classrooms are not big enough to keep such distance and host the entire class, do the math and show some reality for once.
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school isn't a warehouse for kids mate, especially it isn't free, but tomorrow when offices and businesses open, parents will need to go back to earn their bread, where will the kids go? to grandpa and grandma?
Dunno what timezone you are in, but in Switzerland not many offices/businesses will open tomorrow..
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1m distance can easily be maintained or achieved, i don't see a problem with that. it's not impossible to do.
Social distancing is supposed to be 2m, not 1m. Yes, you have spoken truly: you don't see the problem.

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Exactly how big would a classroom have to be to keep everyone in it 2m (not 1m) apart?
I took this random classroom plan, to illustrate.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig3_303812306
Well, if one assumes that each child should not walk into the "social distancing zone" of another child... then, let's have a look, from left to right.
1m between wall and desk to the left of Sylvia
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Silvia, 2m empty, 50cm for Christiano
2m wide gap, plus 50 cm walking space
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Jiffydam, 2m empty, 50cm for Honey
2m wide gap, plus 50 cm walking space
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Princess, 2m empty, 50cm for Funk Machine
1m between desk and wall to the right of Funk Machine.

That's 17m classroom width (if my arithmetic is right). I didn't bother calculating the same dream classroom from teacher to the back of the room. And I wondered about the teacher's voice, by the end of the day. Oh, but she can easily be replaced. Sigh.

Hats off to you, all who teach, and who cope with the demands of being all things to all people at all times, even during Corona-times!$

P.S. I keep re-adding and getting 15 adn then 17 and then 16.... I'm just so upset (to do with my other recent post). Think it's a STOP, for me, for tongiht.
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Old 19.04.2020, 00:30
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Re: Coronavirus

i think we should call the government of Denmark to tell them that some EFers think what they are doing is impossible

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/w...ronavirus.html
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Social distancing is supposed to be 2m, not 1m. Yes, you have spoken truly: you don't see the problem.



I took this random classroom plan, to illustrate.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig3_303812306
Well, if one assumes that each child should not walk into the "social distancing zone" of another child... then, let's have a look, from left to right.
1m between wall and desk to the left of Sylvia
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Silvia, 2m empty, 50cm for Christiano
2m wide gap, plus 50 cm walking space
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Jiffydam, 2m empty, 50cm for Honey
2m wide gap, plus 50 cm walking space
3m wide desk, of which 50cm for Princess, 2m empty, 50cm for Funk Machine
1m between desk and wall to the right of Funk Machine.

That's 17m classroom width (if my arithmetic is right). I didn't bother calculating the same dream classroom from teacher to the back of the room. And I wondered about the teacher's voice, by the end of the day. Oh, but she can easily be replaced. Sigh.

Hats off to you, all who teach, and who cope with the demands of being all things to all people at all times, even during Corona-times!$
Not to mention the problems with shared bathrooms and all the classrooms that are shared like practice, computer and drawing rooms.

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Let's assume a space of 80x100cm for a kid to cal his/her, (a desk of 80x50 and 50 cm behind the desk to sit in.)

Now we need 2mtrs of clear space between everything, and for safe walking 50cm.

A row 0f 4 kids would then be like this:

Kid against wall - 2,5mtrs - Kid - 2mtrs - Kid - 2,5mtrs - Kid against wal

That would give: 0,8 + 2,5 + 0,8 + 2 + 0,8 + 2,5 + 0,8 = 10.2Mtrs Wide needed.

Let's assume 20 kids in a class, than we need 5 rows of 4

So from front to back:

Kid - 2 mtrs - Kid - 2 mtrs - Kid - 2 mtrs - Kid - 2 mtrs - Kid

That would give: 1 + 2 +1 + 2 +1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 13 meters deep

Kids need also to be able to go to the door, and we need a teacher who can walk in front of the class, and step back to the corner if a kid wants to pass. So that is another 2,5 meters at minimum.

Gives a total classroom of 10.2 * 15,5 meters for 20 kids and one teacher.

Could be funny if the kid in the back wants to go to the toilet since we first need to clear the whole row upfront of the kid else they'll be to close.

Only possible viable option would be to divide the class in two groups and work with the space we have of which both get half a day of lessons and in between the groups the tables/chair etc need to be properly cleaned.

Conclusion: Not going to happen if we want to stick to the rules as they are.

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i think we should call the government of Denmark to tell them that some EFers think what they are doing is impossible

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/w...ronavirus.html
SRF showed one school in Kopenhagen in 10for10 a few days ago. The school authorities distributed the classes on the whole premises, so some classes have their lessons in a big tent or in the buildings that are not supposed to be used as classrooms. Although I can't wait when my kids finally go to school again I don't see the point in studying in a big tent. I would rather prefer them to study at home until they can study normally in their classrooms.
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All the numbers so far show kids/youngsters are untouched by the virus. Even teachers probably in a very small minority are vulnerable and can easily be replaced while they isolate for the time being. Makes no sense to close a school for 300 kids just because of 3 teachers that can't work at the moment

Not to mention parents that will have to go back to work, where they gonna leave the kids?

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Old 19.04.2020, 09:28
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Not to mention the problems with shared bathrooms and all the classrooms that are shared like practice, computer and drawing rooms.
...plus keeping them apart in breaks and/or on the way to and from school would be completely impossible.

Although I did see some suggestion of splitting the classes into two and teaching separately. For the under 11s this partially happens anyway.
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...plus keeping them apart in breaks and/or on the way to and from school would be completely impossible.

Although I did see some suggestion of splitting the classes into two and teaching separately. For the under 11s this partially happens anyway.
I think that’s the only way they could make it work in the primary schools, they just haven’t got the space to do otherwise and maintain the 2m distance.
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What's the answer then? Home school for years? Home office for years?
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What's the answer then? Home school for years? Home office for years?
Start the schools! End of conversation
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What's the answer then? Home school for years? Home office for years?
That is definitely not the answer but I don’t think they thought things through properly before announcing that schools would be re-opening.
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What's the answer then? Home school for years? Home office for years?
It is amazing how well the system has adapted to successfully teach remotely. But the social isolation is taking toll on kids, creating lot of potential inequalities, parents are also getting overwhealmed, teachers find themselves stranded...

So the one who said a tent on school premises in this nice weather is worse than home schooling - it is definitely less sanitary. But try asking kids what they want, their parents and teacher/parents.

There is quite a bit of pushback too, for the ways that schooling got improvised. Nobody is getting delivered any hardware by the system to sustain long term remote teaching. On the contrary. Teaching from home means loss of privacy, too, in a way. Both for kids and teachers. The support of parents get underestimated I think as well. All of this is a very tangible strain on wellbeing of people.

While lots of people working from home office do have pcs and stuff provided by their employer, teachers do not.. So, there is also the question of being provided with means because we can certainly feel how much we are compensating now and improvising. And that is a better scenario. Because there are kids, parents and teachers who are not pulling it off at the moment with keeping the education on a decent level. Losing 4mo of school isn't a theoretical scenario, for some it is happening and in a critical time of their education.
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The answer is to be afraid at all times while restart of school is impossible to do
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SRF showed one school in Kopenhagen in 10for10 a few days ago. The school authorities distributed the classes on the whole premises, so some classes have their lessons in a big tent or in the buildings that are not supposed to be used as classrooms. Although I can't wait when my kids finally go to school again I don't see the point in studying in a big tent. I would rather prefer them to study at home until they can study normally in their classrooms.
Speaking of exasperated parents, some colleagues of ours who are both working from home and have a toddler too have sent him to Kita after 5 days of being...together. That, I shall never, never understand. But each to their own.
As for the big tent. Haha, they would love it. Never underestimate kids' love for peculiar situations. We have a "tent" in the living room right now.
I'm concerned because of kids not being able to keep that social distance, not that they won't be in a shiny classroom.
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Any predictions on how deep the recession will be?
For sure, travel this year (at least by plane) is dead in the water.
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Any predictions on how deep the recession will be?
For sure, travel this year (at least by plane) is dead in the water.
I think too deep. But we will only start really feeling it around Xmas. There is a momentum created from before. I think it depends on how disciplined people will be when restrictions are lifted.
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