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Old 19.04.2020, 11:21
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That is definitely not the answer but I don’t think they thought things through properly before announcing that schools would be re-opening.
Maybe they've worked out that you don't need schools to change significantly to keep the infection rate below 1. Certainly I saw some epidemiologist predictions saying the increase in deaths from schools reopening would be low.

The whole point of the gradual reopening is that 2m distance 100% of the time thing needs to be relaxed.

We do it where we can for now, and relax it elsewhere (getting a haircut for example) and see what happens. If we are still ok relax it a bit more. We've got the number of cases down precisely in order that we can do this sort of thing.
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Old 19.04.2020, 11:40
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I'm concerned because of kids not being able to keep that social distance, not that they won't be in a shiny classroom.
Thing is that everybody knows that opening schools is guaranteed to cause some more infections, politicians have consulted people and now have expectations of how much and deemed it acceptable to do it since kids going back to schools also brings a lot of good. Schools will do an effort to keep the risk at a reasonable level and all we can hope for is that the amount of infections caused by opening the schools indeed stays at an acceptable level.

I'll bring my kid back to Kita some time next month, I started keeping him home because known infections were growing rapidly and hospitals started filling up and we had Lombardy which gave us an insight of how things could go. Half of March nobody here knew if Zürich would be another Lombardy or not. And even tho it puts me and my family at higher risk the boy will be gaining so much good by playing in the forest again with his group of kids that it is worth the extra risk to me.

The goal of "lock-down" was never to bring the new infections back to zero, but to maintain levels that are acceptable and will not overflow healthcare, given our current numbers this worked marvellous.
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:03
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Does anyone know when they plan to reopen the borders?
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:08
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Does anyone know when they plan to reopen the borders?
Government made no announcements about this, so nobody knows.

It also depends on when neighbouring countries get a proper control on the numbers and what they have open or closed.
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:25
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It also depends on when neighbouring countries get a proper control on the numbers and what they have open or closed.
Thanks. It'd be nice if they allowed family reunions at some point. I do find it a bit galling that I'm to stay apart from my wife and baby girl for months while daily commuters are still allowed across. We'd even pay for quarantine if required. For sure ban tourists for longer...
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:27
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Thanks. It'd be nice if they allowed family reunions at some point. I do find it a bit galling that I'm to stay apart from my wife and baby girl for months while daily commuters are still allowed across. We'd even pay for quarantine if required. For sure ban tourists for longer...
I hear you! Hope you can see them soon!
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:35
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Thanks. It'd be nice if they allowed family reunions at some point. I do find it a bit galling that I'm to stay apart from my wife and baby girl for months while daily commuters are still allowed across. We'd even pay for quarantine if required. For sure ban tourists for longer...
Switzerland does already allow this, they changed this the 16th of April.

Here the current rules in German:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...covid-19-d.pdf
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Old 19.04.2020, 12:51
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I think Jorido wants his family to come here and that is not possible.

Similarly Germany expects you to quarantine for 14 days so that prohibits flying over for a weekend. If those "commuter permits" actually work with flying to and fro I do not know.
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Old 19.04.2020, 13:50
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Maybe they've worked out that you don't need schools to change significantly to keep the infection rate below 1. Certainly I saw some epidemiologist predictions saying the increase in deaths from schools reopening would be low.

The whole point of the gradual reopening is that 2m distance 100% of the time thing needs to be relaxed.
I’m hoping they’re going to clarify things regarding schools when they make their announcement on April 29th.
I’m guessing they’re going to use the time between now and then to work out exactly what the criteria will be.
In my opinion the 2m distance thing is simply not feasible so I’m going to wait and see what they come up with.

It doesn’t directly affect us as we don’t have any school age kids but I am interested to find out exactly what their strategy will be.
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Old 19.04.2020, 14:22
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I think Jorido wants his family to come here and that is not possible.

Similarly Germany expects you to quarantine for 14 days so that prohibits flying over for a weekend. If those "commuter permits" actually work with flying to and fro I do not know.
Yeah - this is correct. In retrospect, my plan of coming in late February and then the family follow a few weeks after was not very well timed!
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Old 19.04.2020, 16:54
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I think Jorido wants his family to come here and that is not possible.

Similarly Germany expects you to quarantine for 14 days so that prohibits flying over for a weekend. If those "commuter permits" actually work with flying to and fro I do not know.
Jorido and Roegner,
Maybe your respective spouses can visit you after all.

From the link to the new rules, posted by Edwin, https://www.sem.admin.ch/dam/data/se...covid-19-d.pdf
have a look at 1.5.5., the last bullet point at the bottom of page 4.
Besuch der Kernfamilie (Ehegatten, eingetragene Lebenspartner und minderjährige Kinder), unabhängig von der Besuchsdauer und Häufigkeit;
I understand this to mean that a foreign person may now travel into Switzerladn to visit a spouse, registered partner or minor child who lives in Switizerland.
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Old 19.04.2020, 17:42
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It is amazing how well the system has adapted to successfully teach remotely.
this has worked amazingly well with some families, some 'stratas' of society, but it has NOT for those with special needs of one kind or another, those in cramped conditions, those with parents who do not speak the language, have not had a formal education, who do not have a computer or tablet, do not have quiet working space, etc. If you teach in a private school- your experience may be very different to those who teach in State edu- and this even more so in the UK or France, etc.

Our rural school has classes of 12-16 so distancing could be almost possible in a classroom (apart that it wouldn't work anyhow for other reasons)- in the UK, class size may be 32+ and even at the best of times, it is hard to sit everyone at a desk.

How many are in your class or classes I wonder. How many do not have access to a computer. How many do not have access to a quiet working area?

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Old 19.04.2020, 18:12
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Yes, Odile, you're right. I heard a pupil, he looked about 12, in a rural place, in another country, saying that they lived without electricity and that worked alright, ordinarily. They got by with wood and gas.

Schooling has now been transferred to radio programmes, which they all want to hear, but now they're having to walk to the house of the man who owns a radio, and he puts it on loudly at the door and they all sit on the ground, at a distance. They pay him, as they can, to contribute towards the cost of the batteries to run his radio, and there's not always enough money for that, or else there simply are no batteries available. So on some days they walk there only to find that they can't listen to the school programme, after all.

I did wonder how quickly batteries could possibly be used up, for a radio, but then I haven't been without elecricity for my radio and it was years ago that I last used it with batteries, so I just don't know.

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Old 19.04.2020, 18:27
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What's happened to Italy and Spain ?

They have dropped out of the news completely ... All fixed and back to normal?
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Old 19.04.2020, 18:28
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Why has USA so many deaths ( around 40,000) and China only 4600?
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Old 19.04.2020, 18:30
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China uses an intricate method called Chinese accounting, works fabulously when you initially cannot come up with the right figures. Use Chinese accounting and "Voila", you're back in the green. Simples, really.
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Old 19.04.2020, 18:32
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this has worked amazingly well with some families, some 'stratas' of society, but it has NOT for those with special needs of one kind or another, those in cramped conditions, those with parents who do not speak the language, have not had a formal education, who do not have a computer or tablet, do not have quiet working space, etc. If you teach in a private school- your experience may be very different to those who teach in State edu- and this even more so in the UK or France, etc.
In the US there is a significant 'digital divide': It is estimated that 12 million children live in homes without a broadband internet connection. The impact this has had on education during the crisis - the potential for those already disadvantaged to fall even further behind - is immense.

A good article from The Hill:

https://thehill.com/opinion/technolo...digital-divide
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Old 19.04.2020, 18:36
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China uses an intricate method called Chinese accounting, works fabulously when you initially cannot come up with the right figures. Use Chinese accounting and "Voila", you're back in the green. Simples, really.
Well when I saw how they were still celebrating their Spring Break en Masse on the beaches of Florida and elsewhere even after Trump closed USA to travel then I can well understand why so many deaths!

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Old 19.04.2020, 18:36
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Strange disease this coronavirus.

I was reading the local paper on Friday and Kanton Zurich decided to test all the residents in four old people's homes.
50% tested positive.
Even more surprising, 40% of these positives had no symptoms.
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Old 19.04.2020, 18:37
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What's happened to Italy and Spain ?

They have dropped out of the news completely ... All fixed and back to normal?
Spain changed the way how they count corona victims and their numbers dropped by half

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https://www.thelocal.es/20200417/spa...ounting-method

I guess the start preparation for the summer season. Some factories are already opened.

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