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No gathering more of 50 people in Sweden, like that even happened before

Are restaurants open? Are tourist attractions open? Are schools open? Are parks open?

What exactly is closed in Sweden? The zoo?
Many places are closing due to lack of visitors, restaurants/bars are open but have less people coming in, the restaurants near my family are mostly closed due to lack of people eating out atm and they must maintain distance and consuming while standing is not allowed, there are checks for this and places can be closed if not following up the rules. The don't have to block the borders other countries already did this for them. Places like liseberg amusement park, musea's and such are also closed or about to close since nobody is going anymore, public transport is cut in half and I know of no Swede who does support their government in this, and more and more restrictions do get in place.
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Old 20.04.2020, 12:24
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No gathering more of 50 people in Sweden, like that even happened before

Are restaurants open? Are tourist attractions open? Are schools open? Are parks open?

What exactly is closed in Sweden? The zoo?
I don't know, you're the expert in Sweden.

I'm not expert in Sweden therefore I take the words of the Swedish foreign minister interviewed on April 17th: "There is no total closure of Sweden, but many parts of Swedish society have closed down. Many Swedes are heavily affected."

PS. Avlidna = death, and it keeps going up https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...6f9f87457ed9aa
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I don't know, you're the expert in Sweden.

I'm not expert in Sweden therefore I take the words of the Swedish foreign minister interviewed on April 17th: "There is no total closure of Sweden, but many parts of Swedish society have closed down. Many Swedes are heavily affected."

PS. Avlidna = death, and it keeps going up https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...6f9f87457ed9aa
So what is the difference? There is no total closure but many are heavily affected. With all of Europe closed of course many Swedes are affected.

Schools and restaurants most notably haven't closed.

Death count is going up everywhere, even in Denmark and Norway, yet they decide to reopen as well (Norway only kindergartens from today)
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Death count is going up everywhere, even in Denmark and Norway, yet they decide to reopen as well (Norway only kindergartens from today)
Hospitalisations, daily death count and new infections in both those countries are going down.

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Sweden has closed universities and upper secondary schools

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Re: Coronavirus

I don't know about you but my oft quoted word during the lockdown is Covid-19, like 'Good Morning Covid-19'
as in the song and the film 'Good Morning Vietnam' starring Robin Williams.
Also some very inventive Parodies of Songs about Covid-19 on Youtube like Queens - Bohemian Rhapsody.

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Old 20.04.2020, 13:11
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I'd go further.
It will forever stick in my craw now that, in the midst of a pandemic, this forum allowed false information to be posted at an alarming rate (5 posts in this thread alone today so far) and did nothing. Just stood back, washed their hands of all responsibility, and in some cases, actively encouraged this behaviour, thereby making it nigh on impossible for useful information to get through and proper conversations to be had.

One huge clue into how to spot a troll, they're the one talking of 'panic' when everyone else is being calm, measured and stoic.
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting news from the daily press conference in Spain, they said the percentage of positive PCR tests last week was 3.1% compared to 25% positives end of March.

While testing capacity has been increased, PCR tests are still preferently used for people with symptoms.
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Interesting news from the daily press conference in Spain, they said the percentage of positive PCR tests last week was 3.1% compared to 25% positives end of March.

While testing capacity has been increased, PCR tests are still preferently used for people with symptoms.
Spain also got 600.000 test kits from an unlicensed firm and those tests have only a sensitivity of 30% (meaning every 10 positive persons will return 7 false negative results). Do they already have new ones?
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Old 20.04.2020, 13:35
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I'd go further.
It will forever stick in my craw now that, in the midst of a pandemic, this forum allowed false information to be posted at an alarming rate (5 posts in this thread alone today so far) and did nothing. Just stood back, washed their hands of all responsibility, and in some cases, actively encouraged this behaviour, thereby making it nigh on impossible for useful information to get through and proper conversations to be had.

One huge clue into how to spot a troll, they're the one talking of 'panic' when everyone else is being calm, measured and stoic.
Unless it's doom and gloom news it must be fake news for some EFers . I always link where I find certain information, up to you how you wish to process it.

I complained it makes no sense not to reopen schools, the same EFers jumped on me saying how it was absolutely impossible to reopen them. Yet, Denmark did it and today Norway opened kindergartens. We must call them to tell them its impossible

There is a small minority of EFers that in turn to feel safe they need to be afraid. I don't know why is that. They seem to close their eyes to any logic and they do not even try to look into the future.

Why don't you simply ignore my posts? Every time it's the same 5 people complaining about and groaning me.
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I'd go further.
It will forever stick in my craw now that, in the midst of a pandemic, this forum allowed false information to be posted at an alarming rate (5 posts in this thread alone today so far) and did nothing. Just stood back, washed their hands of all responsibility, and in some cases, actively encouraged this behaviour, thereby making it nigh on impossible for useful information to get through and proper conversations to be had.

One huge clue into how to spot a troll, they're the one talking of 'panic' when everyone else is being calm, measured and stoic.
This.

Permitting this trolling, encouraging it even, under the ridiculous guise of "the other side " of the argument is awful.

Mods, you aren't being open minded, or cool, or enabling the diverse thought cloud or whatever, you are allowing proven false information to cloud this very important topic.
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This.

Permitting this trolling, encouraging it even, under the ridiculous guise of "the other side " of the argument is awful.

Mods, you aren't being open minded, or cool, or enabling the diverse thought cloud or whatever, you are allowing proven false information to cloud this very important topic.
On the other hand, this forum and this thread aren't (or shouldn't be) a news source. Practically, it's also pretty difficult for a moderator to judge what information is correct and what is false. If you want to go that way maybe better not allow to post any news about corona at all on the forum.
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Unless it's doom and gloom news it must be fake news for some EFers . I always link where I find certain information, up to you how you wish to process it.

I complained it makes no sense not to reopen schools, the same EFers jumped on me saying how it was absolutely impossible to reopen them. Yet, Denmark did it and today Norway opened kindergartens. We must call them to tell them its impossible

There is a small minority of EFers that in turn to feel safe they need to be afraid. I don't know why is that. They seem to close their eyes to any logic and they do not even try to look into the future.

Why don't you simply ignore my posts? Every time it's the same 5 people complaining about and groaning me.

It's not about being afraid, it's about being practical. And you are yet another member who doesn't seem to understand what logic actually is.

How many kids are in those Danish schools? How many per classroom?

And, as per your comment earlier, I thought you were only interested in CH schools?
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On the other hand, this forum and this thread aren't (or shouldn't be) a news source. Practically, it's also pretty difficult for a moderator to judge what information is correct and what is false. If you want to go that way maybe better not allow to post any news about corona at all on the forum.
Fair enough in part but some claims have been proven to be false and nothing has changed.

There is more than one moderator and at least one actively encourages false misleading BS.
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Yes, those test kits were returned (and new ones procured). If I understand correctly these were not PCR tests, but other "quick tests" (serologic?)

https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-03-...ba-rapida.html
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Old 20.04.2020, 13:55
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Unless it's doom and gloom news it must be fake news for some EFers . I always link where I find certain information, up to you how you wish to process it.

I complained it makes no sense not to reopen schools, the same EFers jumped on me saying how it was absolutely impossible to reopen them. Yet, Denmark did it and today Norway opened kindergartens. We must call them to tell them its impossible

There is a small minority of EFers that in turn to feel safe they need to be afraid. I don't know why is that. They seem to close their eyes to any logic and they do not even try to look into the future.

Why don't you simply ignore my posts? Every time it's the same 5 people complaining about and groaning me.
Borders are effectively closed in Sweden. Agricultural workers from Ukraine are not let in to work on Swedish farms. I thought life was normal in Sweden and only Europe was in panic due to all the hype in the media https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7451816


PS. don't project your own fear on us
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Unless it's doom and gloom news it must be fake news for some EFers . I always link where I find certain information, up to you how you wish to process it.
Just a shame that more than once your own link contradicted what you said in your posts. And if we point that out you either ignore such info, or change to another link that fits your narrative or accuse us of panicking.

If that is not trolling than EF has redefined trolling.
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Old 20.04.2020, 14:04
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Borders are effectively closed in Sweden. Agricultural workers from Ukraine are not let in to work on Swedish farms. I thought life was normal in Sweden and only Europe was in panic due to all the hype in the media https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7451816


PS. don't project your own fear on us
So your say life in Sweden is not normal because of the closed European borders? A fact that has little to do with everyday life in Sweden? S

Yet you are blind that almost everything is open and goes on as normal as possible in Sweden.

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Re: Coronavirus

Look, we're all basically clueless on what to do since statistics only show what has been reported. Each country is dealing with this in the best way they can but because of lack of experience, we're all making decisions with the limited information we have.

Personally, I wouldn't have closed schools or shops but would have banned large gatherings (where the virus seems to have been most active) and created heightened safety measures for those at risk. However, like in any company, a national strategy has been created to sail us through this storm.

To be honest, at the moment, I'm more worried about the economic fallout.
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BaselStadt new cases (reported) today = 1

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Look, we're all basically clueless on what to do since statistics only show what has been reported. Each country is dealing with this in the best way they can but because of lack of experience, we're all making decisions with the limited information we have.

Personally, I wouldn't have closed schools or shops but would have banned large gatherings (where the virus seems to have been most active) and created heightened safety measures for those at risk. However, like in any company, a national strategy has been created to sail us through this storm.

To be honest, at the moment, I'm more worried about the economic fallout.
This, all of it.

I've said weeks ago that no one has a clue. And that's still largely true. Far-reaching decisions were made on limited data. That was probably necessary - though no, as much as everyone wants to believe it absolutely was required, we will not know that for a very long time - but it's certainly perfectly acceptable to question whether the extent of them were ever within reason, not to mention whether the duration of them are within reason.

V may have a, well, peculiar way of bringing his point across, but he's not universally in the wrong. There have been PLENTY of highly critical voices from all corners - medics, economists, politicians (no I don't mean the Trump) - and to stifle these immediately is much more concerning.

This has stopped about being the one vs the other a long time ago. It's not a question of either-or, but about finding comprehensive solutions, in the near-term, but also mid- to long-term. I can only emphasize what I've said a million times - that dialogue has not happened enough, in any arena.

And with all due respect, there is zero doubt that a lot of what's been going on has been massively influenced by (social) media and unfiltered information overload and that mass panic has indeed been nurtured in the process. To turn a blind eye on that and completely deny it is wrong.
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