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Old 26.02.2020, 09:45
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm wondering... Just say I caught the virus and made a full recovery...Wouldn't it be an idea to be able to identify such people so that we could be deployed (voluntarily) to help people who are ill or in lockdown, or even temporarily fill roles in essential services? Even if it's just shopping or cooking for people who are ill and live alone.
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Old 26.02.2020, 09:49
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That’s if you trust the numbers that have been coming out if China. President Xi has also said China will hit their economic targets in spite of the Coronavirus, which just adds to my skepticism of anything that comes out of China.
They're the only figures we've got from which statistically significant conclusions can be drawn, so even if they're not as accurate as we'd like, they're better than any other data we've got, such as wild ill-informed speculation.

Epidemiologists in the West have analysed the data, and they seem quite happy it is kosher. There's no specific reasons for China to falsify data (except habit)- if they have, it will come out as the virus spreads into more open societies. That would severely harm China's standing in the scientific community, and so it seems likely to me that the data released is not entirely useless.
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I'm wondering... Just say I caught the virus and made a full recovery...Wouldn't it be an idea to be able to identify such people so that we could be deployed (voluntarily) to help people who are ill or in lockdown, or even temporarily fill roles in essential services? Even if it's just shopping or cooking for people who are ill and live alone.
If we knew that everybody cured still holds enough anti-bodies, and how long those anti-bodies would last at a minimum that would be a great idea. Unfortunately we don't know this yet. And there is always the risk that you run into a mutated version for which your anti-bodies are useless.
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Old 26.02.2020, 10:04
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Re: Coronavirus

One thing you can do is to make sure your vitamin D levels are normal so that your immune system is functioning properly. I get my vit D checked every October (the results are always too low), so my dr. puts me on high-dose supplements for a while to get my levels up and then I take the regular amount every day after that. She said that when vit D is too low, our immune systems are compromised.

I agree that they should close the border between Italy and CH. One case is here already. How many is it going to take until they finally close it?
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Old 26.02.2020, 10:08
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To clarify, he's not talking about the risk of catching the virus, but how severe the symptoms, if any, are likely to be.
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And it's the same with seasonal flu.
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One thing you can do is to make sure your vitamin D levels are normal so that your immune system is functioning properly. I get my vit D checked every October (the results are always too low), so my dr. puts me on high-dose supplements for a while to get my levels up and then I take the regular amount every day after that. She said that when vit D is too low, our immune systems are compromised.
Indeed. An interesting paper on it here. But of course, as you suggest, it's only in the event of too-low levels that it will make any difference, so people shouldn't just take Vitamin D supplements in the belief that they're getting some sort of additional protection from them.
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Indeed. An interesting paper on it here. But of course, as you suggest, it's only in the event of too-low levels that it will make any difference, so people shouldn't just take Vitamin D supplements in the belief that they're getting some sort of additional protection from them.
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One thing you can do is to make sure your vitamin D levels are normal so that your immune system is functioning properly. I get my vit D checked every October (the results are always too low), so my dr. puts me on high-dose supplements for a while to get my levels up and then I take the regular amount every day after that. She said that when vit D is too low, our immune systems are compromised.

I agree that they should close the border between Italy and CH. One case is here already. How many is it going to take until they finally close it?
I disagree. The havoc that would cause would have detrimental consequences that could outweigh the virus.
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Old 26.02.2020, 10:34
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1. Do you hoard out of fear of what could happen due to the disease.
2. Do you hoard because you think other people would empty the store.
I hoard out of habit from the days when it was a struggle to make my wage last until the end of the month. As long as I've got passata, onions, garlic, herbs and spices, I'm pretty much sorted.
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However if I would see that everybody grabs 3 packs of toilet paper, than I also grab some extra packs just to avoid them buying it all and me wiping my ass with the Coop Magazine...
Good thinking Batman! The Coop magazine is Switzerland's equivalent of the Wigan Reporter (other free newspapers are available)
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I hoard out of habit from the days when it was a struggle to make my wage last until the end of the month. As long as I've got passata, onions, garlic, herbs and spices, I'm pretty much sorted.
That's not hoarding, that's just forward planning. Hoarding is having enough passata, onions, garlic, herbs and spices to last for more than a year. And never actually using any of it, because of course that's the backup supply, so you buy what you're actually going to use on a more regular basis.

Good hoarding would include some stock rotation, but it's also important to have some things, notably dried herbs and the like, that have sell-by dates at some point in the last millenium.
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Old 26.02.2020, 10:54
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I hoard out of habit from the days when it was a struggle to make my wage last until the end of the month. As long as I've got passata, onions, garlic, herbs and spices, I'm pretty much sorted.
Good thinking Batman! The Coop magazine is Switzerland's equivalent of the Wigan Reporter (other free newspapers are available)
essentials are important...what about pasta? 😅

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That's not hoarding, that's just forward planning. Hoarding is having enough passata, onions, garlic, herbs and spices to last for more than a year. And never actually using any of it, because of course that's the backup supply, so you buy what you're actually going to use on a more regular basis.

Good hoarding would include some stock rotation, but it's also important to have some things, notably dried herbs and the like, that have sell-by dates at some point in the last millenium.
Hoarding is not limited to what you see on Discovery network, If I normally buy 3 bottles of coke a week, and now I would buy 60 bottles since I would believe that next week the store might run out for some time than that is hoarding. The not touching part what you describe is prepping which is only one of many ways hoarding can be done.
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Old 26.02.2020, 11:05
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You know they're just really long folded towels, and when they reach the end, they're removed and washed at high temperature? They're one of the most hygienic ways to dry your hands. Drying your hands quickly and effectively is vital to removing as many bugs from your hands as possible. Wet hands transmit 1000x more bugs than dry hands.

Here's some light reading for you - with references to scientific papers. http://www.dberkhoudtarchitect.com/2...an-air-dryers/
good to know, thanks for the ref.
Personal horror story: once I saw a dude blowing his nose with that infinite towel I know they disinfect the towels but I don't know if they disinfect the machine....
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Old 26.02.2020, 11:25
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Is Asian wearing mouth mask still being discriminated in Europe now?

Do laughing at people counts as discrimination? Between Christmas and New Year I went to ski. I took the gondola lift from the parking to the pistes, this part is full of tourists and there's significant waiting time. I jumped into a gondola behind 2 women since there's space for 6 or 8 adults. They made an exclamation of surprise and proceeded to look for masks in their bags, put them on and look at me with some contempt.........I don't know if they were thinking gondolas were private or whatever, I could not help myself but laughing at the ridiculousness of situation. Do laughing at people counts as discrimination?
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Old 26.02.2020, 11:33
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Re: Coronavirus

I saw a person wearing a face mask here for the first time last week. She was walking with a suitcase toward the Illuster mall / hotel in Uster. I'm wondering if people who have taken international flights from countries that are highly affected with the virus are advised to wear masks until they're sure that they didn't catch it. No idea.
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Old 26.02.2020, 11:37
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I disagree. The havoc that would cause would have detrimental consequences that could outweigh the virus.
I would not compare the possible extra couple thousands of pneumonia deaths to possible chaos and economical havoc. I find the extra deaths more detrimental than some logistic trouble.

Especially if other countries are thinking of blocking off Italy and Switzerland is still open.

That said, I wonder if ERs will even distinguish now a severe flu, gastro and corona, when it boils down to the same treatment. I doubt it. Maybe for medical staff to protect themselves..to not infect patients who show up in critical state but with something else.

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good to know, thanks for the ref.
Personal horror story: once I saw a dude blowing his nose with that infinite towel I know they disinfect the towels but I don't know if they disinfect the machine....
I hope the frequent nose picking I see here, on public transport for example (do people think that it is invisible?), will stop. Yes, picking buggers spreads viruses! Another thing is, I will finally mention to my gym management, that after 10 years of watching ladies to not wash their hands after the WC and then cuddle up the machines/weights, it would be good to remind the clients some common sense rules of hygiene.

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I hoard out of habit from the days when it was a struggle to make my wage last until the end of the month.
I think most hoarders hog stuff for that reason.

Now, about yarn hoarding...or art supplies, no idea. Creatives, fools, not sure.
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I hope the frequent nose picking I see here, on public transport for example (do people think that it is invisible?), will stop. Yes, picking buggers spreads viruses!
It's far more likely to spread Staphylococcus aureus which is a bacteria, not a virus, present in approximately a third of the healthy population, and causes infection, food poisoning, etc.

Source: My (at the time) legally required Food Hygiene Level 1, 2 & 3 training.
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It's far more likely to spread Staphylococcus aureus which is a bacteria, not a virus, present in approximately a third of the healthy population, and causes infection, food poisoning, etc.

Source: My (at the time) legally required Food Hygiene Level 1, 2 & 3 training.
And staphylococcus on top. Voilà, nose picking verbotten.
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I hope the frequent nose picking I see here, on public transport for example (do people think that it is invisible?), will stop. Yes, picking buggers spreads viruses! Another thing is, I will finally mention to my gym management, that after 10 years of watching ladies to not wash their hands after the WC and then cuddle up the machines/weights, it would be good to remind the clients some common sense rules of hygiene.
I thought nose-picking was a national pastime here.
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FYI, it's bogeys or boogers. Bugger means something very different.
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