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On a similar theme, how many people here have/had the virus or know people who had - not wanting to reopen any recent wounds from such deaths so no need to mention those and my deepest sympathies for such cases.
None amongst friends and family in Switzerland or Greece thankfully.

In the UK:
7 friends and family have had the virus as diagnosed by their doctors. Of those, only 3 were tested and were found to be positive. One has finally managed to get a test booked before she returns to work as a midwife at a hospital that has a dedicated covid ward.

Heard yesterday from my best mate that an old school friend's 53yr old brother had tested positive and died earlier this week in hospital. He was a former professional rugby league player, very active and physically fit, and had no underlying conditions.
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Old 25.04.2020, 21:24
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Re: Coronavirus

Euromomo (mortality, all causes) has an updated website with improved controls. The chart for UK (England) does not look good...
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Old 25.04.2020, 21:37
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Re: Coronavirus

No, it doesn't, particularly when youn consider...
28 March, Italy's death toll passed 10,000 having doubled in just 7 days. 16 days later it doubled again.

12 April the UK's death toll passed 10,000 having doubled in just 6 days. 13 days later, it's doubled again.
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Re: Coronavirus

Everywhere seems to have different information, does anyone know if an infected throat is part of the virus?
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Everywhere seems to have different information, does anyone know if an infected throat is part of the virus?
Sometimes. The symptoms vary from person to person.

https://www.google.com/search?q=coro...obile&ie=UTF-8
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On a similar theme, how many people here have/had the virus or know people who had - not wanting to reopen any recent wounds from such deaths so no need to mention those and my deepest sympathies for such cases.
I do not know anyone personally, but my OH says 2-3 in his office were diagnosed with Covid.

What I find odd is that my Mom's funeral was held on March 19th and at that time, Philadelphia was in a soft lockdown (no more than 50 could be gathered in one space). That said, over 60 people attended my Mom's funeral which was a surprise as my family only expected 30 people (Note: I am one of 9 siblings with 26 nieces and nephews - most of whom did not attend for fear of compromising their colleagues).

To my great surprise, no one who attended my Mom's funeral came down with Covid. Odd as I thought those friends outside of family were crazy to attend the funeral.

I am still unsure what to make of this virus. I guess until an "acceptable/approved" antibody test is made readily available, who knows the actual mortality rate? We are missing a denominator here...
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Maybe time to rename the virus from SARS-CoV-2 since Covid-19 is not only a respiratory disease.

It also can screw up your blood system by making the blood thicker, the vessels smaller and by clumping the platelets.

This would also perfectly explain why kids whom show no other symptoms have so called Covid-Toes in the first days after infection, and it also explains why several hospitals have reported up to 7 times more males in their 30's/40's having strokes.

Here's a read:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...937-5/fulltext
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Maybe time to rename the virus from SARS-CoV-2 since Covid-19 is not only a respiratory disease.

It also can screw up your blood system by making the blood thicker, the vessels smaller and by clumping the platelets.

This would also perfectly explain why kids whom show no other symptoms have so called Covid-Toes in the first days after infection, and it also explains why several hospitals have reported up to 7 times more males in their 30's/40's having strokes.

Here's a read:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...937-5/fulltext
I just read this link Edwin and all three patients had co-existing morbidities.

The first was a 71 year old male with a renal transplant, hypertension, and coronary artery disease

The second was a 58 year old woman with diabetes, hypertension, and obesity

The third was a 69 year old hypertensive male...

All three patients were in the high risk category so how can you make that generalization? For those with co-morbidities perhaps but not for those who are healthy...
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I just read this link Edwin and all three patients had co-existing morbidities.

The first was a 71 year old male with a renal transplant, hypertension, and coronary artery disease

The second was a 58 year old woman with diabetes, hypertension, and obesity

The third was a 69 year old hypertensive male...

All three patients were in the high risk category so how can you make that generalization? For those with co-morbidities perhaps but not for those who are healthy...
huh?

What generalisation?
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Old 25.04.2020, 23:23
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7 friends and family have had the virus as diagnosed by their doctors. Of those, only 3 were tested and were found to be positive.
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Huh. So did I understand that right - 4 out of 7 were "diangosed" by their doctors as having the virus despite not being tested for it? Meaning it was not a diagnosis, but a guess given the symptoms are in non-severe cases not distinguishable from flu and cold?
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Huh. So did I understand that right - 4 out of 7 were "diangosed" by their doctors as having the virus despite not being tested for it? Meaning it was not a diagnosis, but a guess given the symptoms are in non-severe cases not distinguishable from flu and cold?
Diagnosis by pattern recognition is very normal and common practice.
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Agreed the Lancet article seems a little odd but in Switzerland at least they are giving Covid patients anti-coagulents. Commented on earlier in the thread.

Maybe worth popping the odd aspirin?
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Maybe worth popping the odd aspirin?
This research was done by people in Zurich so not really surprising.

Here's another link for some people, it explains it all in a more simple way but it is in German.

https://beta.20min.ch/story/das-viru...t-213353526690
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What generalisation?
Sorry, perhaps I should have made my post more clear. The link you posted stated thickening of platelets but that study was limited to those tested with fairly tough/severe co-morbidities. My question is: what does that mean for those with no co-morbidities? Notwithstanding, those under the age of 60 and those who are healthy?

In that Lancelet article, I would imagine those referenced would also be marginalized by influenza given their co-morbidities.
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Sorry, perhaps I should have made my post more clear. The link you posted stated thickening of platelets but that study was limited to those tested with fairly tough/severe co-morbidities. My question is: what does that mean for those with no co-morbidities? Notwithstanding, those under the age of 60 and those who are healthy?

In that Lancelet article, I would imagine those referenced would also be marginalized by influenza given their co-morbidities.
It means for those with no co-morbidities a higher chance of death due to strokes and such, this regardless of how Covid-19 effects their respiratory system, it also means that when people come in with a stroke and show no other symptoms should be considered as Covid-19 being a possibility. It means for babes/young kids that we finally know what causes their up to now unexplained Covid-feet. And for those in hospitals it means that they need to be treated for more than just a breathing problem.

In very short, we now know that Covid-19 is not like we all thought is just a respiratory disease like the flu but also attacks the blood-system.

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Re: Coronavirus

This report shows how dumb some of these Swiss politicians are



https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/bund-ko...n-494639239292

"The so-called contact tracing app alerts the user if he is in the vicinity of a person who has caught the corona virus. However, the population is only protected if the program is installed on more than 60 percent of mobile phones.

But how is that supposed to work in a country where even the most used app doesn't even reach half of the population? "In order for the app to be fully effective, it must be compulsory during an acute emergency phase," Andrea Gmür typed on her phone on Tuesday evening."

Authoritarian digital surveillance state can come faster than you thought. And from an unexpected corner.
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Re: Coronavirus

so according to the death figures in the news recently the world just passed 200000 deaths related to Covid19 and in the UK there have been 20000...

What?! The UK has 10 per cent of the world deaths?

Coronavirus: Worldwide death toll climbs to 200,000


Coronavirus: UK hospital deaths pass 20,000
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I know you meant when done by doctors, but we're living in the internet era and we I can only hope that some people won't conclude they have had the virus a month or two ago because they had some of the symptoms and go on with their lives as before.
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Pleeeease give me a break. What on earth do you have to hide? This app can save lives. It's hilarious if you think you aren't already "monitorised".
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