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Old 26.04.2020, 15:43
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Old 26.04.2020, 15:45
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Exactly, that was my point above with vigilante justice, etc. I do not think letting everyday numpties know that "someone nearby" has been exposed is a good idea. Yet there are apps already in development that do just that.
From what I saw on the tv demonstration, the app would only work retrospectively by sending a text message to every phone that's been in close contact with the phone of the newly diagnosed patient.

I was amazed to see that dogs are being trained to sniff out the virus. Also seen a number of interviews with medical staff who worked on the Ebola crisis and they all say the same thing, treat everything outside your own front door as if it's contaminated. Personally, I'd like someone to develop and app that can see the virus as a microscopic cluster of colour and send out all the Pokemon Go people with magnifying apps and a bottle of bleach
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Old 26.04.2020, 15:52
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If privacy is an issue I'd say let's not get your GP involved in your personal whereabouts.
I don’t see how the GPs could effectively do tracking anyway, it just wouldn’t work in my opinion.
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Old 26.04.2020, 16:09
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Mostly this. If you use the internet, you're being tracked. Every site you visit, how long you look at a page, etc. Every app on your phone tracks stuff too. The only part I dislike is as mentioned above, an app notifying others around you that you've been exposed. I think we should all assume we're going to be exposed when we leave the house.

Tracking should be limited to specific government eyeballs, who use the info to see patterns of people moving about and how the virus spreads. I don't see any good coming of notifying the average joe that the gal who just walked into Starbucks was exposed.
I think you are badly misunderstanding how the app will work. It will be anonymous and encrypted. No-one would ever know if you were CV positive and you would never know who might with whom you might been in close contact with if they were reported positive. Even locations are not stored.

The proposed app works over Bluetooth and registers Bluetooth connections to phones around you. The contact is encrypted (in fact freshly encrypted every 15 minutes or so from what I read), all you would ever know is that you have recorded 15 minutes near contact with someone that is since positive. You won't know where (neither will the app) or when.

I repeat (for others questioning this) the proposed app does not have access to your location.

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Let's say at station X only one person phone gets on. My phone then pings me to notify me there's a phone near me that has been exposed. Clearly, that phone is attached to that person who just got on the train.
The point is that anyone who knows they are infected (or should be isolating) should never be on the tram in the first place.

Further edit. Please google this a little. I know there are come concerns - but actually NOT the ones anyone has raised here and imho rather hypothetical and impossible to see how anyone would benefit from them. And if you are worried about the anonymity of the encryption....do you do e-banking?

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That GP's can't do this, thus you'd still need the intended parties to do this with as only change another party to whom the data will be handed out.
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From what I saw on the tv demonstration, the app would only work retrospectively by sending a text message to every phone that's been in close contact with the phone of the newly diagnosed patient.

I was amazed to see that dogs are being trained to sniff out the virus. Also seen a number of interviews with medical staff who worked on the Ebola crisis and they all say the same thing, treat everything outside your own front door as if it's contaminated. Personally, I'd like someone to develop and app that can see the virus as a microscopic cluster of colour and send out all the Pokemon Go people with magnifying apps and a bottle of bleach
To my mind a real breakthrough would be if someone could develop glasses that will illuminate the
Covid-19 bug to the wearer, so he or she can skillfully side-step the bug, in their travels and
wash it off wherever it accumulates or encounter it on door handles, stair rails, etc, etc.

So could this be a new mission for the boffins at Foster Grant ?



Foster Grant was there in Britain's time of need

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Old 26.04.2020, 17:57
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If its your destiny to get Corona you will get it no matter what you do.
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Old 26.04.2020, 18:22
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To my mind a real breakthrough would be if someone could develop glasses that will illuminate the
Covid-19 bug to the wearer, so he or she can skillfully side-step the bug, in their travels and
wash it off wherever it accumulates or encounter it on door handles, stair rails, etc, etc.

So could this be a new mission for the boffins at Foster Grant ?



Foster Grant was there in Britain's time of need
So one would be wearing a mask AND some virtual glasses? I wonder how many teachers will be teaching with their skiing goggles.
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Foster Grant - face visors maybe ?
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Old 26.04.2020, 19:50
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Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported
Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across 14 countries analysed by the FT.

If the same level of underreporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000


https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-...9-0d5c6fac846c
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Yes. Let's reduce the whole of life to an app! Lets put a few more diseases on the app like VD etc etc etc etc
and sew yellow cloth markers onto outer garments of those infected, just in case they forgot their handy at home
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A crowd flees when police car arrives at a high-rise neighborhood in Astana, Kazakhstan. Does look like ants scramming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VemaKFthYGE

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What do you mean?

a question is asked to clarify a post ...

and then someone answers and explains what s/he meant. ''That GP's can't do this, thus you'd still need the intended parties to do this with as only change another party to whom the data will be handed out.'' simple, polite, fair ...

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Old 26.04.2020, 23:11
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"Has every attendee been tested? Both for active virus and antibodies? It's entirely possible that at least one person there had it at the time or had already been through it. Might be interesting to see the results... 3 Wishes"

Good question but I am afraid I do not know the answer. That said, just had a zoom call with my family, and most who attended the funeral were immediate family, spouses and nieces and nephews. There were quite a few friends of my older brothers who also attended (which shocked me).

I would have thought my brothers would mention if any of their friends had Covid as we spoke for over an hour this evening (Note: that my older brothers and their friends are over 65 years old) I did more research and much of the deaths outside of Philadelphia (Montgomery and Delaware counties) seem to occur in nursing homes. Here is an interesting link:

https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/dis...ges/Cases.aspx
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This one is probably the worst yet. At least they apologised for it.

NHS nurses apologise for 'offensive' haka performance
Really cringy as well that one
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Wow 56,000 have been turned away from the Swiss border since the lockdown began!

BTW, for people that don't know, thelocal.ch is one of a few English speaking news sources for Swiss news, useful if one doesn't speak the local lingo.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200426/cor...ue-to-lockdown
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Wow 56,000 have been turned away from the Swiss border since the lockdown began!

BTW, for people that don't know, thelocal.ch is one of a few English speaking news sources for Swiss news, useful if one doesn't speak the local lingo.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200426/cor...ue-to-lockdown
First-rate journalism from thelocal as well. Non biased. Always up to date with the latest scoop. Even better than 20min IMHO.
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a bit off topic, but it is interesting to go back read the beginning of this conversation dating back in January.

So many people calling this fake news
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